holy jesus christ wearing platform heels and riding a bicycle. it's not hearsay, when two people within the club say the same thing.

"crippa has been pushing hard for pittonet to play"

doc wasn't tongue in cheek and went into a bit of depth ... and you talk about speculation? saying voss meant it tongue in cheek is exactly that.[/quote]

Whatever, you’ll clearly never admit that you go it wrong, so let’s agree to disagree and stop boring everyone else.

actually, i think the reverse happened with the turnover and pressure game. and we changed the winning formula to add an extra all out ruckman and chased our brutal stoppage game instead.

we ignored champ data and ran off doing our own thing. (stubbornly or arrogantly or both!)

mate ... is there a block button here i can use on you?

when two insider people admit the same thing, it stops being conjecture. i'll happily admit when i'm wrong. i'm wrong all the bloody time. just not about this

Whoops.

Give the impression becomes fact in the one sentence braithy. Then the next one I highlight, the same.

There's a few posters on TC who turn opinion into facts and that's where the clashes come from...."was a profound and catastrophic error". Is that another Furphy?

You have to remember, nothing stays the same: the opposition, form, fitness, the team, the tactics. Nothing in footy is linear.

Blaming Vossy and Crippa for our SEASON...a bit rich. Sure mistakes are made, but if oush comes to shove the one and only thing that has been consistent in disrupting our season is INJURY, the rest, are just moments in time.

The season isn't over for me. I like footy and I love my watching my team; win or lose.
I actually hate it when Finals are on and my team isn't playing.

I hope we win the next 2 games against the odds, and possibly win one Final.
That would be a good hit to end the season.

I loved seeing my team in Finals last year. Ditto this year. Ditto every year.

Carlton forever.

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Boring….

I love the banter between you and sinner. Its hilarious. A bit like you and I. Fun for free. Keep it up.


The 2 insiders you are referring to are Cripps and Doc?
If so, their comments were made in public.
They had no intention to make this the basis of your hypotheses: Cripps selfishness cost us the Season, and Vossy selects teams based on Crippa needs.
Are you suggesting Doc is undermining Vossy too?

Come on braithy.

You can't see anything wrong with that? I can. Your conclusions are far fetched, and hopeful.

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Braithy, why are you warring with sinners on the day when Bondi lost faith in Pitto? This should be the happiest day of your life!

nah ... poor bondi is just a bit slow. i could never celebrate this fact.

Nice to read something level headed.

I agree with all 4 points.

I can't believethat some think that Champion Data is the be all to end all.
I'm glad Hoyne recently admitted he doesn't rely on HIS data to make his own conclusions.

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I don't know, mate ... the injuries were bad. but some of our worst performances in 24 came with our best (on paper at least) team selected. we won more games this year (as we did on the 8 game win streak last year) using fringe players and backups.


it might be hard or unpalatable to some to blame voss and cripps. but i'm doing it anyway. high performance and rehab played a massive role too, and apparently the turf at princess park.

i watch my son who's 14 do amateur boxing. he's part of a great stable of fighters. and when anyone in our stable lose, it's not a loss, it's a lesson.

the kids are taught to be accountable and honest. it's such a basic concept. and it's still one cfc just doesn't ever grasp or comprehend. and to be really honest (and a little vulnerable on a forum board here), the constantness of the club's egos, stubbornness and arrogance for decade after decade - it breaks my heart.

we're all sad addicts here. addicted to something that just doesn't love us back.

Easy big fella. You may want to make out you're joking, but I know you've still got your tail between your legs after all those sniping attacks by you were previously thwarted.
You have reasons to want to fire a few shots at me. None justified.

You fail to absorb that the 2 ruck debate was not exclusively about Pitto and TDK. It was the arguments for 2 rucks and against 2 rucks. To create some balance in the argument. ie look at 2 sides of the story. Debate. Some of the smarter posters said "Horses for courses", when referring to Pitto/TDK. Was that you? Maybe. Some smart posters (braithy included) said if TDK was the No 1 ruck and we had a good Fwd Ruck, like Freo's Jackson, that would work.

Now if you want to sit in your simpleton world and have a snipe, you'll know I'll bite and you're nonsense will get knocked over again.

Don't start making up stories again like your running mate braithy.
You may be eloquent with your writing skills but you fail the logic test too often to ignore imo

What I see today is a completely different scenario than I did earlier in the year.
You do know things change over time?
Injuries have taken their toll.

I can see Pitto is not the same player he was earlier this year.
I can see he's not fit. I have given up on hoping perennially injured players will stand up when needed. All of them. Some we will be stuck with.
I thought Pitto had recovered from the PCL by the way he was playing earlier this year. Did you?

What you see today, is not what your saw or said yesterday. You liked Pitto too after the GWS and Tigers games.

Me? I'm just moving with the times.

I have not given up my position on 2 rucks, for 2 obvious reasons, you know, and have agreed to, then disagreed, then disappointed in yourself, for thinking 2 rucks has merit, then agreed, then disagreed....let me make it clear, I have not changed my position.

Is it stacks on bondi you are trying to create? Looks like it. Stick to the discussion, and stop trying to be a hero.

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But braithy, this is your chance to go stacks onto bondi with Great Ex.
Come on, he needs some mates. He thinks he's being funny.

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I get where you're coming from braithy re Voss and Crippa. No shame in that. Hold your ground if that's what you really feel. Not necessarily right but its a position you are prepared to support.

Yep, we're all addicts. Rusted on supporters.

You never cease to surprise me. A 14yo son. Congrats. I hope he stops boxing when the hits to the head start feeling harder and harder. My 16yo was doing a bit of boxing, but I put a stop to that when I noticed the hits were getting bigger.

I'm sure the club wants to do the right thing. I don't think we are far off, and our window will be open for a while longer.

Really important to fight out the rest of the season for more good reasons than bad.

Glad the surface at Princes Park will be fixed. A few have been blaming the surface for a while despite the resurfacing effort from 10 years back.

Go Blues.

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we all need more funny mates at a time like this

I think they need to compartmentalise and apologise for their soft bones and weak hamstrings

Bondi, of course the Pitto quip was just a light hearted dig. You REALLY need to learn to laugh at yourself, old mate!

I thought it might be.

Yeah, and I gave you a light hearted quip back.

Just incase it wasn't, and it was another baseless dig, I served back.

You really need to learn to ....

... laugh at myself. WTF is that all about?

I'd rather laugh at you, than make me the centre of your humour.

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i'm lucky i have you, my brother.

Ah, the old light hearted 12 page essay. The cornerstone of all breezy discourse.