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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 4:54 pm 
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Memphis Blues wrote:
Rumours flying around that Charlie will miss


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 5:14 pm 
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i guess if he does miss ... we have harry, martin and williams.

it plays into the hawks hands bcos they're undersized in defense. but we should still enough to kick a winning score.


could even move boyd into the starting back 6 and move kemp forward. we got options


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 5:20 pm 
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He's still named.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:11 pm 
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As long as they don't dump Young up there. Forward out, forward in.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:39 pm 
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As long as they don't dump Young up there. Forward out, forward in.


We would be better off bringing Lemmey in and have him second ruck. Let Harry play permanent FF.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 10:36 am 
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Lemmey is a baby, and whilst he kicked 3 goals last week in the VFL, I felt he made too many mistakes and what looked like too many half hearted efforts to be promoted to the big time league.

He had 5 shots at goal and took a few marks, and that might be enough to be selected. He's a big boy. Only 20yo.

If we are to reward form, then Young was easily one of the best last week, and the best game I've seen him play for a couple years.
He looked confident. Hit the contest hard and held his marks. He's much quicker and more experienced than Lemmey.

I hope Charlie plays. I can feel his ankle getting better by the minute.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 1:52 pm 
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Looks like Lewus Young is the player held back from the VFL.

I hope he doesn't play tomorrow because that would mean Charlie is out.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 2:19 pm 
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Young and Carrol both. Binns played.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:16 pm 
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IF Charlie doesn’t play, we KNOW Young forward doesn’t work. He plays back and Kemp goes forward.

Obviously hope Charlie is good to go. If he isn’t and Young starts forward, we’ll know all we need to know re our coaching panel.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:36 pm 
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I just had a look on ticketek and there are no more reserved seats or GA tickets for sale.
Look like it is going to be a big crowd.
This is a huge game for us. Win and we will likely make the 8. Lose and we will likely be out of the 8 after this weekend.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 3:41 pm 
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If Charlie is out, and we play Young as a forward... someone needs the sakc

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:03 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Braithy wrote:

harry would make a good CHB. soft as butter like his brother, but still ... he's a proper athlete, A+ hands, proper height and has a peach of a left foot when field kicking.


You're watching a different player to me. Harry is a poor field kick IMHO. A poor kick is the last thing our defence needs. His strength is his endurance, speed and contested marking. Leave him where he does his best work.
I don't understand the negativity towards our forward line. We're the highest scoring team in the AFL, despite being 9th for inside 50's, we're second in the league for creating scores from our forward half and we're 3rd in the AFL for inside 50 tackles. So the forward line is our one strength IMO. Get some players who can actually kick the ball half decent to our forwards and they'd be unstoppable.

When our midfield get's up and going, we're a serious football side with the strength forward of centre. You don't throw that away with hail mary's this late in the season.
You don't take away something that is working to fix something that isn't. You end up with problems on both lines. Get our midfield to defend properly, sort out our abysmal defensive 50 stoppages (stoppage and defensive coaches!) and our defence will get by.


i think one of our problems is that our midfield struggles to play a defensive game and an attacking game which suits transition and forward entry at the same time for the length of a full game.

we need the midfield spread, run and carry and handball chains that look so good when we are doing it at elite level (which surprised me when i saw it against Geelong and one other game), but seems like when they do that they aren’t getting back to restrict opposition ball movement between the arcs. either our midfield lacks for a bit of talent other than Walsh and Cripps, or running power/fitness, or ability to play multiple roles depending on who has the ball and where on the park the ball is moving to.

we need the midfield running in packs and one or two of them providing fat side options so we aren’t bombing it up the lines all the time. bc when we go up the lines with long and slow kicks then for the 1 in 6 times that gets from deep in our defensive half to just short of the forward arc, we invariably bomb it again in to Harry and Charlie (and anybody else y’all who happens to have wondered down there eg a resting TDK).

is it implausible that or mids can play above average defence and elite forward transition and switch between the two as required and for a whole game? or elite defence and above average forward transition for a whole game as required against teams when we are behind or trying to stop momentum?

i would love to know what AFL coaches say about these questions when behind closed doors! i’m just a mug punter but it feels like 3 or 4 of our mids have to play blinders for us to play at our best (or even scratch out a win in the current ugly patch).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:11 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
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Hope makes a really poor substitute for faith in your team mates, faith in your coaches and game plan, faith in the systems and training it.

if players have faith in teammates winning contests they can take risks making position ahead of the ball. if they don’t have faith they have to back team mates up and make sure they can mark their opponent (or someone else’s opponent) if the opposition win the ball back.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:13 pm 
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daggs001 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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but none of that fixes the biggest problem we have. F50 entry. 2 of the worst 5 mids in the game at delivering F50 efficiency are on the blues. kennedy and i forget the other. maybe it was walsh?

elijah, orazio and newman need to get forward. they're maybe our best at delivering it?


Yep. Walsh is in the lowest 5 ranked inside 50 kicks. Our midfield needs something different. Hewitt is a goer but he disposal is third rate.
I'm not sure if Lord deserves a go. I haven't watched a lot of him but we need a point of difference in the middle. Can Lord kick the ball more than 50m because apart from Kennedy, our mids lack penetration and class. That's why I'm keen to see Saad or similar get a run in the middle. Look at the difference fast feet like Papley, Brent Daniels etc make when they're around the ball. Our mids exit stoppage sideways because they don't have the pace to straighten up like opposition mids do against us.

Use something that's not working to try change. Saad isn't at his best at the moment in defence. Throw something different at the opposition. Get some offensive/defensive dynamic movement around the ball.


How about Cowan through the middle at the centre bounce?Tough as nails, penetrating kick. and he sticks his tackles.There was a passage of play last year where he did a 360 degree turn in incoming traffic and it stuck with me. I think in short bursts I would rather him in there. Not as creative but with the 6/6/6 rule he doesn't need to be at the centre bounces. See ball, get ball, kick ball. Give our talls a chance one out.
At a bare minimum he will give Cripps a chop out.


maybe he was dropped because he was getting tired or carrying an injury?

or maybe just Boyd forced him out with better kicking?

worth a try, games are often won and lost in the middle and we’ve lost five games now by not much with the mids getting pants for much of the game.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:14 pm 
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Cowan not a bad shout for midfield minutes.

I'd also consider putting Cincotta back in there and parking the tag for a while. It was great when he started in the role but I am starting to question its efficacy. Tactics move fast in the AFL (at least at other clubs).

Cincotta has the attributes we need in midfield: quick, defensively accountable, two-sided, decent kicking length, strong on both ends of the tackle. Other options like Kennedy, Binns, Olli and Saad are deficient in one or more of those areas.

Can't think of any obvious tag needs against z Hawthorn so let's do it.


i like this idea.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:18 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sounds like Curnow will be available.
How fit his ankle is will influence his movement.

I'm sick of Curnow being a statue in the goal square.
Its time to shake that body and get more involved.

Harry and Charlie should be mixing it up more upfield, even waxing, and keeping the forward line open for Williams and Martin types with pace.

So important to have a 3rd marking forward in Martin.

Come on Vossy, lets make it work.


in seasons past i’ve wondered if we need a third genuine tall, a more mobile one. Like Fredricks at freo or i used to say Jamara at Dogs but this years he’s moved on up to become an elite first KPF. there’s a few young guns running around at GC, North and elsewhere.

but when we have no JSOS, no Martin and now we can say no Williams, it falls to Owies to play tall and he’s not taking a tall KPD out of the opposition’s defensive mix, so doesn’t work as well from that perspective. Owies plays the role well though.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Someone just has to get into Young's head to be aggressive at the man and ball, and go for his marks.
I'm sure Vossy could do it. We need some height in the backline, badly. ie 2 KPDs


if that happened it would be the coaching master stroke of 2024! agree we desperately miss a Liam Jones quality tall defender who can lockdown and win marking contests or a swing man even)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 4:22 pm 
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bender wrote:
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were they not good enough or are we really bad at picking players? or developing them?

one or two may never work out, you get that. but our success rate seems so poor, i can't help but feel it's the club. since the draft was incepted, we've been below average.


I think it's pretty obvious we lacked a development plan, but we cut so deep even talented players would not have had a chance. But we also drafted poorly. O'Brien is not playing afl, stocker and dow aren't automatic inclusions with the saints


Dow was dropped this week.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 7:11 pm 
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This has to be a carlton win. Carna Blues!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 8:45 pm 
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Outside of the eight now .. hopefully this puts the rocket up them that they need .. it's flower real now, and we are in a fight to stay in the 8


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