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I thought it was LBW.....

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I didn't know that a goal could be given for an umpire deflecting the ball into a post. Maybe I'm getting confused with soccer, where any and all referee interference with the ball is given as "too bad so sad"



Nor did I.


I'm sick and tired checking the Laws of the Game...maybe it's in there somewhere???



Ok...I've checked. :grin:

https://aflua.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/AFL-Laws-of-the-Game-2024.pdf


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16.1.3 Clarification and Examples
For the avoidance of doubt:
(a) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official, and in the opinion of the
field Umpire it has affected a score, play will be stopped and the Umpires will
determine if the score should be recorded;
(b) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official, and in the opinion of the field
Umpire it has not affected a score, the field Umpire shall call ‘Play On’ and the
football shall remain in play


Not sure if that clarifies things?????????


Technically, I don't think it should have been a goal, considering it hadn't fully crossed the line.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:26 pm 
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Fatigue ? I don't buy it . Port came off a six day break AND they had to travel ..................


Issue is we have a number of players when have missed big chunks of the season, and even pre season in Walsh's case. Lose that base and it can take it's toll. Temporary for some, it can be fatiguing for a period, and then they come good, hard to come back from for others.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:50 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
bluedog wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I didn't know that a goal could be given for an umpire deflecting the ball into a post. Maybe I'm getting confused with soccer, where any and all referee interference with the ball is given as "too bad so sad"



Nor did I.


I'm sick and tired checking the Laws of the Game...maybe it's in there somewhere???



Ok...I've checked. :grin:

https://aflua.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/AFL-Laws-of-the-Game-2024.pdf


Quote:
16.1.3 Clarification and Examples
For the avoidance of doubt:
(a) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official, and in the opinion of the
field Umpire it has affected a score, play will be stopped and the Umpires will
determine if the score should be recorded;
(b) if the football touches an Umpire or any Official, and in the opinion of the field
Umpire it has not affected a score, the field Umpire shall call ‘Play On’ and the
football shall remain in play


Not sure if that clarifies things?????????


Technically, I don't think it should have been a goal, considering it hadn't fully crossed the line.



I should have added :

Quote:
16.1 GOALS AND BEHINDS
16.1.1 Scoring a Goal
Subject to Law 16.2, a Goal is scored when the football is Kicked completely over the Goal
Line by a Player of the Attacking Team without being touched by any other Player, even if
the football first touches the ground.



The 'ball touching an Umpire or any official' clause is not part of Law 16.2.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:02 pm 
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jim wrote:
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Fatigue ? I don't buy it . Port came off a six day break AND they had to travel ..................


Issue is we have a number of players when have missed big chunks of the season, and even pre season in Walsh's case. Lose that base and it can take it's toll. Temporary for some, it can be fatiguing for a period, and then they come good, hard to come back from for others.


Good to hear from you Jim . You need to get on here more often . Good points for sure , but the same applies to all Clubs and Port had some weary boys also . We aint alone on the fatigue problem . Still say its a copout .

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:55 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Fatigue ? I don't buy it . Port came off a six day break AND they had to travel ..................



me either mate. port was also on their 3rd game in 12 days. with travel.




are we really that weak, that a 5 day break, with only one day of training (weds) is the difference between winning or laying down?



also interesting that in the scheduling, we could have a 6 day break after our trip to west coast, should we play on saturday. also, also interesting in the scheduling that none of the other top 6 teams were pencilled in to play last game of the round (sunday twilight) and then back it up on a friday night.


afl scheduling is the most thoughtless, money grabbing bit of bs in all of sports. that's my hot take for the day.


We played 3 games over 14 days, but that's not the issue here. Its the 5 day break and the impact it has on players.

Adelaide to Melbourne flight is 1 hr.20....is nothing. Cats players drive an hour plus to Melbourne without an air steward to pamper to their needs, and they can get up and walk freely, stretch their legs and have a piss in that time. Don't tell Cats fans that. They may have a case.

Flying from Perth to Melbourne is the big issue in travel; more than 3 1/2 hours, and Brizzy is 2 1/2.

There's a huge difference between 5 and 6 days with recovery.

The ridiculous 5 day break the AFL brought in for Comemrcial reasons, has been a contentious discussion point between the AFLCA and AFLPA and the the AFL, and reared its ugly head big time after the Bulldogs game where StKilda completely faded in their last quarter after a 5 day turnaround. They've endured 3 i the first half, and they have been impacted badly by it.

One day extra makes a huge difference to sprains, bruising, stiffness... Nobody thinks its reasonable break between games except the AFL. The major point is the stress it has on AFL bodies...not the flight, the 5 days break. There's enough anecdotal evidence that stress on players' bodies from 5 days may be responsible for a lot of soft injuries. That's not my opinion, albeit I see why, but that's a major discussion point around the 5 day break. Plenty of discussion to refer to if you like....just look for reports of games after 5 day breaks. Rarely is it out of the spotlight.

I don't know why you wouldn't believe it. Players carry soreness 7 days after a game, and go into games sore after 7 and 8 days break. Ask Weiters next time you see him.



i know a few players, current and older ... and none of them said a 5 day break was the difference between losing or winning.

i don't have an opinion on it really. but i do believe there has to be parity. if a team is on a 5 day break, the opponent must also be on one (like the first time we played port)

the afl schedule is the most lop-sided, unfair thing ever. imo every team should play once, or twice, but no split schedule.


The AFL Commission, especially since Demetriou has detroyed the game, on field.

They will tell you the game has never been in a better shape, but that's because rusted on supporters are loyal to their teams, and TV rights give the AFL a Billion dollars to waste on themselves and them trying to make their mark on the game.

No one knows the rules anymore. Umpires constantly make mistakes with the new rules, which change in intepretation on a weekly basis.....have a look what the AFL have done to grass roots footy.

What is a push in the back? What is HTB? What is deliberate OOB? When is ducking not paid? What is prior opp? Why is 3 touches not a mark? Since when? Why are players impeded on illegally after handballing the ball in front of them and not paid free for HTM? Why has Crippa got 2 players holding him and not a free? Why is Pitto paid frees against in the ruck and Briggs and co do the same and its not? What are frees in the ruck for anyway?

No one knows. The game is pharked. The AFL have pharked up Australian Rules and now call it "AFL". The game is not in a better state. Its a boys club. Now that Laura has joined them, its just a jokers entiltled club which lacks transparency.


My biggest problem with the umpiring and the rules is that whatever the umpire says goes. Have a clear set of rules and treat all players equally. Instead I see Port players dropping the ball aka not disposing of it correctly and don't get penalised Cripps does the same thing immediately a free kick. The umpires can do whatever the @#$%&! they want and nobody is allowed to pull them up on it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:51 am 
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The ball hitting the umpire thing changed I think last season. It was a reaction to it happening in a game. My understanding is if it hits the umpire but would have been a goal but for their getting in the way, they pay the goal. Problem is it relies on the ARC to make the call. Which is why you hear him say there was a clear gap before hitting the umpire. Just another quirk of the game. It didn't cost us the game. We did that to ourselves

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CK95 wrote:
I thought it was LBW.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:18 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
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Fatigue ? I don't buy it . Port came off a six day break AND they had to travel ..................



me either mate. port was also on their 3rd game in 12 days. with travel.




are we really that weak, that a 5 day break, with only one day of training (weds) is the difference between winning or laying down?



also interesting that in the scheduling, we could have a 6 day break after our trip to west coast, should we play on saturday. also, also interesting in the scheduling that none of the other top 6 teams were pencilled in to play last game of the round (sunday twilight) and then back it up on a friday night.


afl scheduling is the most thoughtless, money grabbing bit of bs in all of sports. that's my hot take for the day.


We played 3 games over 14 days, but that's not the issue here. Its the 5 day break and the impact it has on players.

Adelaide to Melbourne flight is 1 hr.20....is nothing. Cats players drive an hour plus to Melbourne without an air steward to pamper to their needs, and they can get up and walk freely, stretch their legs and have a piss in that time. Don't tell Cats fans that. They may have a case.

Flying from Perth to Melbourne is the big issue in travel; more than 3 1/2 hours, and Brizzy is 2 1/2.

There's a huge difference between 5 and 6 days with recovery.

The ridiculous 5 day break the AFL brought in for Comemrcial reasons, has been a contentious discussion point between the AFLCA and AFLPA and the the AFL, and reared its ugly head big time after the Bulldogs game where StKilda completely faded in their last quarter after a 5 day turnaround. They've endured 3 i the first half, and they have been impacted badly by it.

One day extra makes a huge difference to sprains, bruising, stiffness... Nobody thinks its reasonable break between games except the AFL. The major point is the stress it has on AFL bodies...not the flight, the 5 days break. There's enough anecdotal evidence that stress on players' bodies from 5 days may be responsible for a lot of soft injuries. That's not my opinion, albeit I see why, but that's a major discussion point around the 5 day break. Plenty of discussion to refer to if you like....just look for reports of games after 5 day breaks. Rarely is it out of the spotlight.

I don't know why you wouldn't believe it. Players carry soreness 7 days after a game, and go into games sore after 7 and 8 days break. Ask Weiters next time you see him.



i know a few players, current and older ... and none of them said a 5 day break was the difference between losing or winning.

i don't have an opinion on it really. but i do believe there has to be parity. if a team is on a 5 day break, the opponent must also be on one (like the first time we played port)

the afl schedule is the most lop-sided, unfair thing ever. imo every team should play once, or twice, but no split schedule.


The AFL Commission, especially since Demetriou has detroyed the game, on field.

They will tell you the game has never been in a better shape, but that's because rusted on supporters are loyal to their teams, and TV rights give the AFL a Billion dollars to waste on themselves and them trying to make their mark on the game.

No one knows the rules anymore. Umpires constantly make mistakes with the new rules, which change in intepretation on a weekly basis.....have a look what the AFL have done to grass roots footy.

What is a push in the back? What is HTB? What is deliberate OOB? When is ducking not paid? What is prior opp? Why is 3 touches not a mark? Since when? Why are players impeded on illegally after handballing the ball in front of them and not paid free for HTM? Why has Crippa got 2 players holding him and not a free? Why is Pitto paid frees against in the ruck and Briggs and co do the same and its not? What are frees in the ruck for anyway?

No one knows. The game is pharked. The AFL have pharked up Australian Rules and now call it "AFL". The game is not in a better state. Its a boys club. Now that Laura has joined them, its just a jokers entiltled club which lacks transparency.


hard to argue with that. having a lawyer (Laura) in charge of the rules interpretation is the icing on the cake. what makes sense to lawyers is pure confusion to players and umpires. not to mention us fans.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:21 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I remarked during the game that Cripps was being held (like, a proper hug)at stoppages by an opponent with his back to the play. Didn't get called once. No wonder tagging is back in vogue. Way to make the game exciting, stop the best players being allowed to perform.


I saw it last night. Ive seen that for the last 12 weeks.

I wish there was a show where we could ring in and ask them what the rule is, in the hope it brings it to the attention of umpires and the law of the game. It looks wrong from the outset. I don't know why they are ignoring it, because they are seeing it.

Killing the best players also kills one of the the game's best spectacle.


as BV said, there’s so much grey zone in the rules today it opens up enormous potential for cheating and for umpires to show bias without showing bias if you know what i mean.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:37 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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Walsh still found the footy 20-odd times & laid 11 tackles, so the management programme is doing well. He can’t escape like he used to, so could adjust his game to drop the pill when tackled. But, that’s only minor.

I’m not going to revisit the programme that he’s certain to be on, but the difference between five days and seven ought to be obvious. Active recovery is everything.

Seven days to Filth. Seven again to Hawthorn. Watch him go off for 40.

Spare him the Perth trip & either manage or rest him again for Saints. Freshen up into a final & away we go.




i hope the rumours of his back being cooked aren't true. but it's coming from a mate of sammy's dad, so ...

A step up from BigFooty ITK…

Walsh’s back is similar to Clarkson’s regret - is it [REDACTED] again, or still?

He’s been managing it all season.


he has ... but they're saying it's as good as it's ever going to be for footy. and a 24 game season is impossible for him.

a big shame if even close to true. those 6-7 weeks when he first came back, he looked like the best mid in the comp.


Walsh needs an elite chiropractor. i don’t known if he’s consulted any chirps but when it comes to backs Gonstead method Chiros are a class above in my opinion. there’s lists of very average chiros around as well.

i used to have back issues and my Chiro was able to maintain it. he read my back like a book, especially once he’d seen the x-rays. told me i’d had a car accident seven years ago which i had totally forgotten about until the next appointment. he could read the displacement in neck part of spine and the thickness of calcification where the spine tries to bridge to gap due to mal-alignment indicated the time period. classic whip lash injury he said, usually a car crash.

also mid and lower back issues.

i asked him once about back surgery bc a friend who couldn’t even sit at the dinner table was about to undergo it (and his dad used to run the Vic health system) and he said he won’t advise back surgery as there’s very little they can do to improve the spine in surgery. much better to use corrective chiro, more than weekly if in a brutal sport like AFL i’d imagine.

back injury is no joke. i came across a yoga teacher who was training to become a pro skater (constantly falling down concrete stairs etc) and also did a lot of ju-jitsu training. he went to a doctor in his late teens or something and the doctor said his back looked like that of a 40 year old. anyhow he did just three exercises and completely restored his spine in a year or so.

now when i do these exercises once a week even i don’t seem to have back issues at all. and certainly if i get them doing the exercises very day for a week seems to fix it. that or a visit or two to my chiro, who’s a long way to travel to atm.

good spinal care involves not sitting incorrectly, not splotching on the couch, getting in and out of a car correctly. there’s a lot to it once you have back issues.


maybe Walsh knows all this already… but if there’s a 1% chance he doesn’t someone in the club needs to tell him. i know Chiros have a bad rap, and in some cases deservedly so, but some of the better ones in history are truely amazing and even though there’s not much theoretical knowledge to support the possibility of what they achieve, the best manage to achieve incredible successes in all
kinds of ailments that other allied health can’t or haven’t. not to be dismissed if we’re talking my about the viability of potentially the best finals inside/outside midfielder in the AFL


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walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


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Also doesn't help that some people prescribe chiro as the solution to all ills ( or at least those that can't be fixed with essential oils)


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Also doesn't help that some people prescribe chiro as the solution to all ills ( or at least those that can't be fixed with essential oils)



*hides lavender and patchouli oils and diffuser...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:06 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


It doesn't. I've had no issue with it having it for years and it's been no issue people over the many decades. Some do prefer the Osteopath though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:30 pm 
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Pros:

At least we're always in games now, even when our form is poor.
Charlie, Kennedy, Weiters, Cincotta and Cottrell.

Cons:

With all those interstate teams near the top, we've probably blown our chance of getting to the grand final.
One good quarter is not going to do the job against good opposition.
Looks like we've got heavy legs at the moment.
Smashed at centre bounces and stoppages. Midfield was soundly beaten.
Horrible umpiring decision to give Port the lead.
At the moment, too much is expected of Weiters. Kemp is poor at defending in marking duels. McGovern also to a lesser extent.
Not getting anywhere near enough of Cerra.
We obviously missed Harry.
Walsh looks sore.
The end of Cuningham's career.


With the heavy legs we had 7 blokes who played who missed a significant chunk of the year. Remember that screwing our season back in 2000. They come back but we got run over in the first final after having a big lead killing any chance of a flag. OK when fresh but after a few weeks it catches up. Then you just hope than they come out the other side, much like the Hawks in 2014. All year one strength was the ability to blow sides away, physically and on the scoreboard, in last qtrs. Now we can't come up after one good qtr. Against Geelong, when we crushed them, we just had a couple.


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Also doesn't help that some people prescribe chiro as the solution to all ills ( or at least those that can't be fixed with essential oils)
That's because they should be used in combination with crystals

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jim wrote:
Braithy wrote:
walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


It doesn't. I've had no issue with it having it for years and it's been no issue people over the many decades. Some do prefer the Osteopath though.



have you had micro-disectomy surgery jim? my ex-wife did and she was told to avoid chiro at all costs.

but there is so much confusing, contradictory info out there when it comes to health.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:01 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
jim wrote:
Braithy wrote:
walsh is heavy into yoga and pilates. the theory there is, you build up muscle mass around the ailing vertebrae to take the load off them.

i think the criticism on chiro is you can do more damage to discs by cracking/ manipulating/ adjusting the spine. so there's risks.


It doesn't. I've had no issue with it having it for years and it's been no issue people over the many decades. Some do prefer the Osteopath though.



have you had micro-disectomy surgery jim? my ex-wife did and she was told to avoid chiro at all costs.

but there is so much confusing, contradictory info out there when it comes to health.

May be other reasons for that, and there is many, as there is with any disk issue. Muscle imbalance, poor core, crappy feet for starters. People have had those surgeries without going to chiros. Going to a chiro after might be different but doubt it was the cause.


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