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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:08 pm 
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Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:16 pm 
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We need to get games into Phillips. He's going to be OK. People here forget how ordinary Jacobs was.
Kreuzer is cooked but politics won't let him be dropped.

We're trapped in the mindset that Kreuzer is still untouchable.


Phillips is only 2 years younger then Kreuzer he's not a 21yr old kid on the up. Apart from his centre bounce leap Phillips has been fairly ordinary this year IMHO!! Yes ruckman take longer but he's 26 next year when does he come good??


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:58 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:08 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.



sorry rexy I have to disagree with you this time rowe has been our main kp back their and has been very reliable
he does make some bad decisions with the ball but sometimes but this year he has been irreplaceable for us


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:11 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Carlton
Games Experience: 69.36
<=10 games: 2
>=100 games: 7
24y 161d

West Coast
Games Experience: 118.68
<=10 games: 1
>=100 games: 13
26y 145d

I bet the media boys don't bring up those stats tomorrow. We only hear about how old we are.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:13 pm 
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redback wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.



sorry rexy I have to disagree with you this time rowe has been our main kp back their and has been very reliable
he does make some bad decisions with the ball but sometimes but this year he has been irreplaceable for us

Rowe would only be a relief ruckman.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:26 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Effes wrote:
Carlton
Games Experience: 69.36
<=10 games: 2
>=100 games: 7
24y 161d

West Coast
Games Experience: 118.68
<=10 games: 1
>=100 games: 13
26y 145d

I bet the media boys don't bring up those stats tomorrow. We only hear about how old we are.


How about the stat that says we have 12 players well under 50 games (isn't 50 some sort of magical number) and that the 12 average 23 games when combined...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:35 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Jesus.

Unavailable. Though would be great get.
Capable of miraculous skills.

:lol:

Real distributor.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:37 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
redback wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.



sorry rexy I have to disagree with you this time rowe has been our main kp back their and has been very reliable
he does make some bad decisions with the ball but sometimes but this year he has been irreplaceable for us

Rowe would only be a relief ruckman.



yes but if he is doing his jobs as usual you don't want to break momentum
on the other hand if they are taking him apart by all means we need another option


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:42 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Jesus.

Unavailable. Though would be great get.
Capable of miraculous skills.

Can't play. Would have to wear gloves, and that's illegal.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:55 pm 
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Hahah took me a few secs to nail that. ;)
You forgot those old injuries healed up nicely.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:20 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.


Wouldn't be much weaker? Simon White is 190cm. How would he go on Josh Kennedy tomorrow?
Rowe has easily been our best tall defender. While he's taking the big bodies, Weitering and Plowman can develop their games. Our defence is settled and playing good footy. Why pull that apart? Its irrational IMHO.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Its not just injury. The suggestion that one of our ruck men can ruck the whole game is ridiculous. I know some posters foolishly believe Kruezer competently has rucked a full 120 minutes at some stage of his life. Thats fanciful IMO.
By all means play Casboult as a relieving ruck when he is fit but who are your options tomorrow if Kruezer or Phillips are left out. Who will do that 6-8 minutes of ruck work each quarter when the ruckman is resting?

Rowe? Do you take your only mature tall defender away from defence at the time you'll be most susceptible to conceding centre clearances?
Our backline are our best asset at the moment. Rowe needs to stay there and perform his role as the senior tall.
The 2 ruck option isn't ideal but unless someone has a sensible alternative, its pointless bitching about the selection.

Phillips isnt setting the world on fire but he's showing promise IMO. We're not contenders this year. Surely the idea is to develop and improve our players so when we are a good side, these players will be developed and ready to go. Charlie Curnow hasn't earnt a game this week but the coaches are looking long term at the bigger picture. Some people here need to grasp that.
Phillips will be a player. He just needs game time.

We wouldn't be that much weaker if White or KJ took Rowe's role down back during a game.


Wouldn't be much weaker? Simon White is 190cm. How would he go on Josh Kennedy tomorrow?
Rowe has easily been our best tall defender. While he's taking the big bodies, Weitering and Plowman can develop their games. Our defence is settled and playing good footy. Why pull that apart? Its irrational IMHO.

Pulling it apart ???

Hardly...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:00 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
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Jesus.

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Overrated

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:08 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Jesus.

Unavailable. Though would be great get.
Capable of miraculous skills.


But as has been said before, would just have to put Daniel Cross on him.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:40 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
bluegirl72 wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Jesus.

Unavailable. Though would be great get.
Capable of miraculous skills.


But as has been said before, would just have to put Daniel Cross on him.


More likely Him onto Cross.


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