The day after and I've cooled down from the loss.

There's a fair few here giving Murphy stick saying he's not captain material. But having a think about it I can see some correlations between when Judd was captain and now Murphy as captain. I remember Judd being battered from pillar to post. Many posters here asked the question, where was Judds support? Its easy to remember those times Judd was smashed by opposition, and who came in for Judd? No one. Many here complained about that, and rightly so. I can remember many times where Murphy received the same treatment, and who stepped up for Murphy?

I honestly thought Malthouse would bring some mongrel into the club. Get the guys behind each other, and especially behind the captain. A captain is someone your supposed to fight for, someone who leads you, unites you and someone your eager to protect and uphold. Not because of who he is as a person, but because of his position. Judd never received any of this from the playing group, his body suffered terribly because of it. I see Murphy going through the same thing. And I for one can't blame him if this directly effects his ability. If it can stop the great man Judd, how can Murphy be any different?

Murphy soft? Or is it self preservation? Look at the toll it took on Judd. Many here complained about Judds lack of support, and what, Judd is not a worthy captain? Can anyone say he wasn't? Any team in the comp would have loved him to captain their side. We got that privilege, yet what did we witness? A man who almost broke himself trying to lead by example and drag his team to victory? He still does it to his amazing credit.

Its a glaring deficiency this club has imho. Something I thought Malthouse would address and change when appointed as senior coach. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Murphy wants a long and illustrious career as captain of Carlton and is not prepared to have his body destroyed and his career cut short because his "team mates" stood by and watched ...

It must be easy sitting in your lounge chair. Team work through the middle? Considering we flogged them at the centre clearances I'd say yes. More contested possessions, more tackles.
Plenty of hard chasing which you wouldn't have noticed on your TV screen.
"lazy, selfish players", I don't think so. Mind you, if I was one of our players, I wouldn't be spilling a drop of blood for some of the so called supporters on this site.

The lack of a presenting option at CHF impacts the ball movement off half back more than vice versa.
You comments about Henderson finding himself out of the team are laughable.

Boekhurst...can't believe we pick a mature player with a first rounder and he's in the reserves

Considering he's the only tall forward we had on the ground who understands how to play the role, it would be stupidity not to. He may be a good average footballer but he's the best option we have.
He understands when a lead is required. He understands when it is essential to have a long bail out option. He knows when to push back to assist the defence. He just needs someone else to stand up and help. Until someone else remotely puts their hand up, he's our only viable option.

Can I get the $400 I shelled out for a membership back?

Bad decision.

I can't believe Byrne wasn't picked partivularly given mm says you pick guys on form

Can I get the $400 I shelled out for a membership back?

Bad decision.

Was the hovercraft cool though? On the radio they seemed to think the 'match day experience' (well, apart from the game) was very excellent and the bar was set for all other clubs.

Personally I think the AFL is going to be very unhappy about last night. In a rigged competition you still need both teams to look like they are trying, even when its your designated week to lose. Two thirds of our blokes went hokey pokey and never got out of a trot all night. They are ruining the illusion that the whole show is a real contest.

Yep - this club is never going to progress until recruitment blunders like this are stopped.
I can accept that sometimes certain U/18 players don't turn out like we would hope - however recruiting decisions like the Boekhorst selection (ahead of the likes of Laverde/Goddard), McLean, Warnock etc are slowly eroding my love for this one great club.

Missed shots hurt early then the lack of run and pace showed.

Curnow, Everitt, Carrazzo, White all tagging...very slow when you add in Cripps Bell and lose Thomas early.

Deledio, Cotchin and Martin relatively quiet but the tigers have a decent 2nd tier of Miles, Ellis, Vlastuin and some others like McIntosh.

Murphy a stinker. Jones glimpses but not enough.

Docherty very good. Simpson/Judd gave their all.

In the first half looked like they were trying to possess it a bit more via handball and take some risks through the middle which worked some of the time, then reverted to the bombing down the line and again there was no kickout strategy. Lot of Richmond scores started from Carlton's forward line...lack of pressure there is a big problem.

Then the game started, there were 6 ball ups in a row , every player inside each teams forward 1/2 half, ( destroying our natural game to copy every other team ball sport besides netball) , and I was numb again

..yes, more centre breaks, more contested possession.. ....but with that, still no team work.... ..no two way running.. ..sure, some attempts at chasing.. ..but no where near enough, and often from players like Hendo.. ..no pressure on their ball carriers in the middle of the ground.. .