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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:17 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?

Chris Judd came back in
And Waite played some blinders
In amongst some terrible floggings


Both floggings to top 4 teams away from home, the last flogging v Port when we were terribly depleted. 2 weeks later Port gave Tiggs a similar bath in a final, a team coming off nine consecutive wins. Just some perspective amongst the emotion.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:25 pm 
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Blues Clues wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?

Chris Judd came back in
And Waite played some blinders
In amongst some terrible floggings


Both floggings to top 4 teams away from home, the last flogging v Port when we were terribly depleted. 2 weeks later Port gave Tiggs a similar bath in a final, a team coming off nine consecutive wins. Just some perspective amongst the emotion.

Oh I got it wrong
Honorable losses and floggings are accepted these days.
Sorry I thought Mick was brought in to take us to the next level where we could compete with the top sides.
I must have misunderstood his appointment

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:29 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Oh I got it wrong
Honorable losses and floggings are accepted these days.
Sorry I thought Mick was brought in to take us to the next level where we could compete with the top sides.
I must have misunderstood his appointment


Me and you both SB.
Unfortunately our supporters 1st embraced 'tanking' and now 'close enough in good enough'. :oops:
VFL Saints is so appropriate for the AFL Blues.....


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Going to this. Expecting more heartache as is the norm these days.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:40 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?
i think at the end of the season we had won a whopping 7 games and finished 13th, what is there to explain. Surely there is no solace in a bottom side occasionally catching a reasonable side on a down day and snagging a win. Last year was dreadful, but i suspect we may top it this year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:50 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?

Chris Judd came back in
And Waite played some blinders
In amongst some terrible floggings

That doesn't account for how we moved the ball smoother from HB to HF and delivered some great inside 50s, of which Waite was only one target.

Mentally fragile players matches up a lot more with all of our issues. That's a by-product of our culture since 2002.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:58 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?

Chris Judd came back in
And Waite played some blinders
In amongst some terrible floggings

That doesn't account for how we moved the ball smoother from HB to HF and delivered some great inside 50s, of which Waite was only one target.

Mentally fragile players matches up a lot more with all of our issues. That's a by-product of our culture since 2002.


Not sure it's written in our constitution though.

Everyone is shocked at our effort from halfway through the second quarter.

Three years in a row we haven't been ready for the first game of the year, that's very disappointing and not something that should just be put on the players.

I think we will win this week but it looks a bit more through the Eagles being shit and not us getting better.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:33 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
It's not just about personnel. The past 2 years we've been 17th and 18th for uncontested possessions. i.e. our game style doesn't promote retaining possession. We play the boundary, kick down the line and continually give the opposition an opportunity to win the ball back.
Compare that to the successful teams who do everything within their power to retain possession. How often do you see our players play on? We continually go back, kick over the mark and rely on contested possession to win the ball. That's 90's football.
Watch the successful teams play. They make every effort to avoid kicking over the mark so they can keep the ball low to move it quicker through the air. Our ball movement after quarter time on Thursday was snail like. You can have Carl Lewis and Usian Bolt in your team but if they don't play in an offensive manner, it means jack shit.

I chuckle when I hear the coaches say the players aren't creating and taking a risk. Yet when the risk doesn't work, Mick is the first to admonish them and kick them up the arse. :lol:
You can't have it both ways. The coaches can't ask the players to be creative and take risks and then admonish them when the risk doesn't work.
That creates confusion and when the pressure is applied, the players will always revert to "safe" football. That's where we are. When the pressure is applied, no one wants to be the one to play on, to leave his man and give a running option. No one wants to stick his head up.


That's Mick's Style of Play that Won him few Flags at Previous Clubs. The only difference is that our players don't have the Skill to execute precession kicking and boundary Goals...

I find it so hard to believe that in today's modern game, a Coach does not have a plan B or C. How can you continuously keep playing the same game style that gets you beaten and humiliated?

All 18 teams have already Worked us out with ease....I think the Game is way past MM.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:45 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blues Clues wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?

Chris Judd came back in
And Waite played some blinders
In amongst some terrible floggings


Both floggings to top 4 teams away from home, the last flogging v Port when we were terribly depleted. 2 weeks later Port gave Tiggs a similar bath in a final, a team coming off nine consecutive wins. Just some perspective amongst the emotion.

Oh I got it wrong
Honorable losses and floggings are accepted these days.
Sorry I thought Mick was brought in to take us to the next level where we could compete with the top sides.
I must have misunderstood his appointment


No SB, you misunderstood the nature of those defeats, not the appointment.

Swans beat a depleted Cats in Sydney last year by about 100 points, we copped a 71 pt drubbing there. The Swannies played off last year, you can't turn pig shite into strawberry jam mate. Not even Mick..

Of course floggings aren't acceptable.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:55 am 
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I'm trying to maintain some optimism at the beginning of a new season, but after watching our game on Thursday and then comparing it to the Crows v Kangas game I'm having a hard time. The Crows game plan, and for that matter even the Kangas, was so far ahead of our own that I'm struggling to see us winning more then a handful of games...

the loss doesn't bother me to much, but our failure to play with any structure or purpose does... the amount of times we grabbed possession and just slammed it forward was awful... compare that to the Crows (who most would not even consider a top 4 side) and we're in a world of trouble. We can get the ball and win possession as well as any team, but what we do with it is another matter. Very very rarely do we hit real purposeful leads coming out of our forward lines... obviously we don't have a Tex Walker caliber forward, but most sides don't and still have the presence of mind to lift the eyes and find a target.

I'm still hopeful that we can turn it around, but based on round 1 this really might be a 'try the kids out' kind of season again... the fact that Judd was probably our best against Richmond speaks volumes to how badly our list has not progressed.

for me....

OUT - Smith, Thomas, Jacksch
IN - Tutt, Buckley, Casboult


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:30 am 
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blueboy23 wrote:
We can't play,
Carrazzo, Bell, Curnow and Cripps all in the same team..
Cripps and Carrazzo for me, the other two offer no skill at all..
Need some zip, Buckley, Tutt and Boekhorst offer that..
Will Walker come straight in??
Would like too see Yarran play forward, Docherty, Buckley and Simpson take care coming out of the backline..
We have about 15 quality players then their is a massive hole..
Anyway for me this week,
Simpson Jamison Tuohy
Buckley Rowe Docherty
Carrazzo Cripps Gibbs
Everitt Henderson Yarran
Menzel Jones Casboult
Wood Murphy Judd
I/C; White Boekhorst Tutt or Walker if fit
Sub; Smith
No chance Bell and Curnow will be dropped but they lack skill and pace..
Casboult at least offers a presence in the forward line...
Need class around the goals and Menzel and Yarran will fit that bill..
Just my silly opinion


Bell isn't slow.

It was obvious on Friday who was slow: Cripps Curnow Carrazzo even White and Smith didn't seem as fast as I thought a zippy FP would be.

It was obvious that they were exposed when in the wrong position: Cripps on outside.

Can't have more than one hard tagger. Imo.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:25 am 
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Agree can't play Curnow & Carazzo in same way we have been.

With no real players pushing for elevation apart from Tutt maybe try Carazzo in defence again, he's played there before, he is good one on one, reads the ball well and would release Simmo or Yazz. Curnow has the best running ability in the team with less ability to play elsewhere so should tag in midfield.

In: Tutt Casboult Warnock
Out: Thomas Jaksch wood

Carazzo. Jamo. White.
Docherty. Rowe. Yazz.
Simmo. Gibbs. Bell.
Everitt. Hendo. Jones.
Tutt. Casboult. Menzel.
Warnock. Judd. Cripps.
Curnow. Murph. Tuohy.
Smith

Rest Gibbs fwd like Judd, best mark & kick of our midfield group.

Bucks & Army emerg for Yazz.

Play Bell midfield not fwd, runs all day and thrives on the contested ball
I'd prefer playing Hendo back n Rowe fwd but mick won't do it
Players on notice:
Murph- captain or not, needs to lead
Everitt- had awesome preseason but pulled out of like 3 contests last week, his turn to go and gave it up every time.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:34 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Cant believe you guyys being scared of the Eagles.............holy shit fellas,they are mediocre at best.Barely middle of the road opposition and we are shitting ourselves.............


Yes and we are a bottom 2 side, so mediocre is scary


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:36 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
We can't play,
Carrazzo, Bell, Curnow and Cripps all in the same team..
Cripps and Carrazzo for me, the other two offer no skill at all..
Need some zip, Buckley, Tutt and Boekhorst offer that..
Will Walker come straight in??
Would like too see Yarran play forward, Docherty, Buckley and Simpson take care coming out of the backline..
We have about 15 quality players then their is a massive hole..
Anyway for me this week,
Simpson Jamison Tuohy
Buckley Rowe Docherty
Carrazzo Cripps Gibbs
Everitt Henderson Yarran
Menzel Jones Casboult
Wood Murphy Judd
I/C; White Boekhorst Tutt or Walker if fit
Sub; Smith
No chance Bell and Curnow will be dropped but they lack skill and pace..
Casboult at least offers a presence in the forward line...
Need class around the goals and Menzel and Yarran will fit that bill..
Just my silly opinion


Bell isn't slow.
.

Marred bell isn't slow, his ordinary football skills just make him look that way


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:42 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
It's not just about personnel. The past 2 years we've been 17th and 18th for uncontested possessions. i.e. our game style doesn't promote retaining possession. We play the boundary, kick down the line and continually give the opposition an opportunity to win the ball back.
Compare that to the successful teams who do everything within their power to retain possession. How often do you see our players play on? We continually go back, kick over the mark and rely on contested possession to win the ball. That's 90's football.
Watch the successful teams play. They make every effort to avoid kicking over the mark so they can keep the ball low to move it quicker through the air. Our ball movement after quarter time on Thursday was snail like. You can have Carl Lewis and Usian Bolt in your team but if they don't play in an offensive manner, it means jack shit.

I chuckle when I hear the coaches say the players aren't creating and taking a risk. Yet when the risk doesn't work, Mick is the first to admonish them and kick them up the arse. :lol:
You can't have it both ways. The coaches can't ask the players to be creative and take risks and then admonish them when the risk doesnt work.
That creates confusion and when the pressure is applied, the players will always revert to "safe" football. That's where we are. When the pressure is applied, no one wants to be the one to play on, to leave his man and give a running option. No one wants to stick his head up.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:52 am 
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redback wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
It's not just about personnel. The past 2 years we've been 17th and 18th for uncontested possessions. i.e. our game style doesn't promote retaining possession. We play the boundary, kick down the line and continually give the opposition an opportunity to win the ball back.
Compare that to the successful teams who do everything within their power to retain possession. How often do you see our players play on? We continually go back, kick over the mark and rely on contested possession to win the ball. That's 90's football.
Watch the successful teams play. They make every effort to avoid kicking over the mark so they can keep the ball low to move it quicker through the air. Our ball movement after quarter time on Thursday was snail like. You can have Carl Lewis and Usian Bolt in your team but if they don't play in an offensive manner, it means jack shit.

I chuckle when I hear the coaches say the players aren't creating and taking a risk. Yet when the risk doesn't work, Mick is the first to admonish them and kick them up the arse. :lol:
You can't have it both ways. The coaches can't ask the players to be creative and take risks and then admonish them when the risk doesnt work.
That creates confusion and when the pressure is applied, the players will always revert to "safe" football. That's where we are. When the pressure is applied, no one wants to be the one to play on, to leave his man and give a running option. No one wants to stick his head up.



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Two points

Gibbs played on quickly, squared the ball up into the corridor. Result turn over and goal against.

Simpson 3 minutes later exactly the same thing.

My point is its as much about play on selection as it is about just playing on.

That requires players making the positions to give safer options. Just isn't happening at the moment.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:54 am 
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I haven't been able to attend a game for neatly 12mths, question to those that do...

Is it our mids that can't hit our Fwds on a lead or our Fwds don't lead, no structure or blocks allowing genuine leads, obviously tv doesn't show up the ground. So frustrating how every other team hits their Fwds lace out on leads throughout games yet we continually bomb it. We are the team that should be hitting leads because our Fwds strengths is there speed.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:01 am 
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Hibbo wrote:
I haven't been able to attend a game for neatly 12mths, question to those that do...

Is it our mids that can't hit our Fwds on a lead or our Fwds don't lead, no structure or blocks allowing genuine leads, obviously tv doesn't show up the ground. So frustrating how every other team hits their Fwds lace out on leads throughout games yet we continually bomb it. We are the team that should be hitting leads because our Fwds strengths is there speed.


Disposal is an issue. Players like Gibbs, Yarran, Bell, Simpson, Touhy are inconsistent with disposal.

Work rate of the forwards is also an issues.

Blocking and covering for forwards is a further issue. Good sides kick forward to advantage and cover and block forwards so they get first chop at it. Not happening at present.

Forward pressure is also lacking

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:19 am 
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baz_baz wrote:
redback wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
It's not just about personnel. The past 2 years we've been 17th and 18th for uncontested possessions. i.e. our game style doesn't promote retaining possession. We play the boundary, kick down the line and continually give the opposition an opportunity to win the ball back.
Compare that to the successful teams who do everything within their power to retain possession. How often do you see our players play on? We continually go back, kick over the mark and rely on contested possession to win the ball. That's 90's football.
Watch the successful teams play. They make every effort to avoid kicking over the mark so they can keep the ball low to move it quicker through the air. Our ball movement after quarter time on Thursday was snail like. You can have Carl Lewis and Usian Bolt in your team but if they don't play in an offensive manner, it means jack shit.

I chuckle when I hear the coaches say the players aren't creating and taking a risk. Yet when the risk doesn't work, Mick is the first to admonish them and kick them up the arse. :lol:
You can't have it both ways. The coaches can't ask the players to be creative and take risks and then admonish them when the risk doesnt work.
That creates confusion and when the pressure is applied, the players will always revert to "safe" football. That's where we are. When the pressure is applied, no one wants to be the one to play on, to leave his man and give a running option. No one wants to stick his head up.



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Two points

Gibbs played on quickly, squared the ball up into the corridor. Result turn over and goal against.

Simpson 3 minutes later exactly the same thing.

My point is its as much about play on selection as it is about just playing on.

That requires players making the positions to give safer options. Just isn't happening at the moment.



and multiple times we had no one in our front half to kick to so we kicked blindly or to team mates who were outnumbered and it ended with their loose man and an easy rebound set up and score
you need to keep your structures and play for each other as a team
mistakes happen and you get scored against that's part of the game but if your not allowed to take the risk and win the game you will surely lose
we are to defensive and there is no one to spread because we are to focused on tagging (defensive mind set) or caught behind the ball with no focal points and link men


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:21 am 
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jimmae wrote:
How do you explain the end of last season then BV?


Explain what?
I was responding to Blueboy23's comment

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We can't play,
Carrazzo, Bell, Curnow and Cripps all in the same team..


If you want to use the second half of last year as the example, in the Round 23 draw with Esssendon, we had McLean, Curnow, Carrazzo, Bell and Cripps in the same side. In our 6 point loss to Geelong we had Graham, Curnow, Carrazzo, Bell and Ellard.
In our Round 20 win over Gold Coast we had Carrazzo, Bell, McLean, Curnow, Graham, Ellard.
The point is run and creativity isn't just about the leg speed of select personnel.

For the record, I'm not about kicking Malthouse when we have a loss. As much as I hate losing, I don't ride the highs and lows like some others. Too often I see posters wanting to sign him after a good win and sack him after a loss. :grin:

My only expectation is the club not be pushed into re-signing him before the end of the season and for Mick to STFU and concentrate on his job instead of peddling the saga through the media.
This season is just upon us and he's already pushed his agenda twice through the media. It's selfish and unacceptable. I want the club to have the balls to stand firm and judge him on performance.

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