You mean like the second bottom list that Ken Hinkley inherited at the end of 2012 ???

Hinkley was the AFLCA coach of the year in his first year (2013)

Won the first 5 games in 2013, and made the finals without help from the AFL, knocked off the pies in melbourne in the first final and almost repeated it against the cats the following week (in melbourne again)

Its about honesty throughout the organisation - and especially within the playing group.

How have we been traveling in that area over the past decade or so?

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I have no doubt that Mick has been a very good coach when he has the most talented team.
The challenge as it is for many coaches, is to extract the most from a less than high quality list.

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2002 Grand Final Team
Collingwood
B: 26 Ben Johnson 14 Shane Wakelin 8 James Clement
HB: 15 Carl Steinfort 35 Simon Prestigiacomo 37 Ryan Lonie
C: 11 Shane O'Bree 5 Nathan Buckley (c) 9 Glenn Freeborn
HF: 1 Leon Davis 23 Anthony Rocca 19 Nick Davis
F: 10 Rupert Betheras 20 Chris Tarrant 25 Josh Fraser
Foll: 12 Steven McKee 17 Scott Burns 18 Paul Licuria
Int: 24 Tarkyn Lockyer 29 Heath Scotland 7 Jarrod Molloy
4 Alan Didak
Coach: Michael Malthouse

2003
Collingwood
B: 26 Ben Johnson 14 Shane Wakelin 8 James Clement
HB: 39 Matthew Lokan 35 Simon Prestigiacomo 13 Richard Cole
C: 6 Brodie Holland 5 Nathan Buckley (c) 37 Ryan Lonie
HF: 11 Shane O'Bree 34 Jason Cloke 17 Scott Burns
F: 28 Ben Kinnear 38 Tristen Walker 20 Chris Tarrant
Foll: 25 Josh Fraser 2 Shane Woewodin 18 Paul Licuria
Int: 4 Alan Didak 29 Heath Scotland 22 Rhyce Shaw
1 Leon Davis
Coach: Michael Malthouse


Some rubbish in those teams

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MM did get the best out of a lot of those average players

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Actually mm took on the bottom list at magpies and any to the gf 5 times in 11 years and won it.
One day hinkley might have a record close.



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Can someone supply the last five years drafting stats comparing , us and port

Make that the last 10 years

He was alsi 14 years younger when he did it
game stands still for no one not even Mick

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Actually he coached to a flag and two other grand finals 2 years before he came to Carlton.
What are you talking about?
I'm going to call you a revisionist....

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Cretylus seems to enjoy researching.
I think he should have to do that....
Will be interesting going over his analysis of the raw data.
Till now he has gibbed doing this... He's shirked it and shown much cowardice on the matter...

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Yes Mr S

This is coming from someone who said the Blues can go all the way in 2011 after they beat the tigers

why?

We must have had a quality list ladies and gentlemen

Mick thought so too at the end of 2012...and said so publicly

Within months we are trash again so that we dont challenge the Great Mick as a coach

Everyone has their time in the sun. Even Parkin lost it towards the end.

Remember Parkin refusing to play Mathew Allen, so Harry could prolong his career. watching Allen kick 6 goals from the pocket and continue his growth as a ruckman wasnt enough for Parkin

the fact that Parkin had flags under his belt didnt save him from ciriticism - why should Mick be a protected species like the Great Robert Wiley, Brad Green, Daisy, Everritt, Docherty and Wood

Have you noticed which personnel Mr S targets at our club and which ones he looks after?

the great shifting agenda - like the sands of the sahara Ladies and Gentlemen

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Mick made a good comment recently saying good coaching is when you beat a team with superior talent than yours

Which implies coaches aren't miracle workers

They need good players to have a chance

How many premiers had average lists?? None

Micks done well to get this miserable lot of players to take it up to Geel, Haw n Coll

He is right skill is what resulted in these recent near losses

Maybe, just Maybe the previous Port Coach, Primus was crap.

One thing is for sure we have no Wines and Wingard coming through except Menzel. As Trigger stated above when are you going to compare their recruitment to our recruitment in particular around the Ratts era?

Yep, and you would think that they had at least this year's GF already sewn up.

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Actually the loss to the cats was not due to skill

they had superior leadership, mental toughness in the dying minutes.

If you remember Mick said that of the last 19 contested possessions in that game, we only won 3.

red time - pressure is on, game is int he balance and the cats come out to play

They revel in it - we dont

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The lost to Geelong was due to Brock having no idea how to man up at a stoppage. He still believes he was not in the wrong.

That same situation could have been avoided had Warnock hit the ball firmly along the boundary instead of trying to take possession of it and having to drop it into the mix.

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Jeez, I just passed 10k posts. I remember my first. So insightful it was.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

But cret..u continue your cowardice by not acknowledging what you have been asked to do

Give us some background on the drafting history comparisons.
You can't be taken seriously if you gib the most important data of this argument.

Sorry .. But is true!
No backbone in your argument and clown like....

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..agreed, in a heavily congested stoppage anyone can lose touch of their direct opponent.. ..the tap went into a dangerous spot, and we had no player acting as a defensive sweeper.. ..and that is something we mess up on a regular basis.. ..we don't position ourselves well at stoppages..

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