Dead right Murph.

By all means do it, but what does this do to guys on the list?

Poor form.

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Why is it poor form?

The players must be responsible for their performances.

They need to know that these half arsed efforts wont be accepted at the club.

Perform or youre out.

I agree - If professional athletes and grown men can't handle criticism, they're in the wrong business. Our list sin't as bad as the first two rounds indicates, but if players fail to fire in the next 21 - out the door.

The AFL have made it almost impossible for other mid-range teams to get good young kids through the draft. Two drafts were completely stuffed thanks to GWS and GC and others were compromised. Previous bad decisions left us with little groth in our list.

Mick needs years to fix this list issue and hopefully to set us up for a decade.

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Mick was employed to get us deeper into the finals straight away, not rebuild for an attempt at a flag in 2023.

He had a year off and examined our list even before getting the job at carlton.

And when his first preseason at carlton commenced on the 1st November 2012, Mick went on a book launching tour for two weeks. He wasn't even at the club. The first instance that I know of where a senior coach didnt show up at the start of a pre season. At any club. I hope someone else can give me an example of where it has occurred.

Then the master stroke, an under qualified Wiley in the directors role for coaching and developing. And slotted a very green Brad Green into the midfield coach role. Can't blame Brad, but we went backwards last year in the midfield, apart from maybe curnow.

Mick will struggle to have his contract renewed if he doesn't pull his finger out, and I mean THIS YEAR. THIS WEEK

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Will he now, glad the dellussional muppets are alive and kicking

So he went on a book tour for 2 weeks - boohoo. Let's give him a detention then!

It's one thing looking at a list from afar, it's another knowing what's actually happening when he's on the ground. But then again, you seem to think we should go ahead and move him on.

Grow up and take your little tantrums elsewhere.

For me, Mick has a hell of a lot to do to fix this playing group, but he's the best person to go about it. He started it at the end of last season with a heap of delistings and changes within the coaching department. I'm sure it will continue throughout this season. Judging by Mr Connolly he's already shaking the tree that is the board.

Good on him.

Really?

How many players were actually delisted from our primary list over the past 2 years? Go back and look at the facts.
As for Mick being the best person to go about it, how do you come to that conclusion? There's several current coaches in the AFL with a better win/loss record.
What makes Mick better than them?
Some of his decision making to date has been average at best. A director of coaching and midfield coach who's been absent from the top level for 8 or 9 years. All that did was send our midfield backwards at an alarming rate. Pissing off the experienced assistant coaches and replacing them with amateurs. (All at a significant financial cost to the club)
Offering 700k to a wingman when we have massive deficiencies KP deficiencies. Mind you, if the team needs a complete overhaul, giving 700k to a wingman who'll be finished in 5 years at best is an even crazier decision. If you're going to spend a heap of money, why wouldnt we be using it on young key players from GWS or GC who will actually be around when we're a contender?

Too many mixed messages for mine. Before round 1 we're topping up with 27 year olds and Mick says we're 1 minute away from our premiership window. 2 weeks later the list is a shambles and needs rebuilding.
We gave Mick the support staff he wanted, the fitness staff he wanted, the love child he wanted. Forget the excuses and get on with the bloody job.

Ask yourself, how can one of the most successful and popular clubs in the AFL have fallen so far? Not only have we made an artform out of making poor decisions. We're on the second orbit of repeating them. I cant comprehend why the supporters and members are not standing up and voicing their disgust. Not only are these fools @#$%&! our club over, we're actually paying them to do it.

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Anyone now who doesn't think Mick needs to start renovation
Perhaps we need to build the whole house

Can't disagree with much of that.

Changing coach has proven a pointless exercise.

In my view the man we should have got was with us but is now coaching St Kilda.

But not only that I want the club to be honest and tell us where we are honestly at.

Unfortunately he wasn't a 'name' so never stood a chance (even though Swann would have known on coaching ability he was easily better than MM)

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When we got rid of Ratten we should've got a young coach & given him a mandate for a major rebuild.

We have so many players on this list that have had not only ten years of bad coaching, but ten years of themselves as teammates. I cannot see how this side can ever have that obsession with winning that the good teams do.

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He's been highly rated wherever he has gone. If we got him we would of been able to spend more money on the football department in general.

I guess when rich morons hold sway who know bugger all about football you get these decisions which sound good but are ultimately useless.

Surely the club & mick can't deny now that we need a rebuild.

pull the list apart & start again. play the kids.

I shouldn't have to go to games & spend the entire second half watching just Menzel because the rest of the team is so stale & boring.

Mick needs to cut his hair, trim that mow..........and shave those damn sideburns.

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Start the renovation with Mick. Trade nearly everyone.
Walker - has value
Gibbs - compensation pick
Kruizer - some value
Yazz - value
So many more.

we need to sell the lot and get half of the top ten picks for the next two or three years.

Get SOS back somehow and let him do the picking.

If we keep this up we are back with Melbourne like we were a few years back

Big problems

As I have stated on numerous occasions, Ratten was a poor appointment by the board. Interesting summary from 2011

2011 Semi Final Against the Eagles and we are a kick away from a Prem Final without Waite, Kruezer and Gibbs. 2 years later and we are performing as a genuine bottom four side.

From that side:

Still on the List: Robinson, Murphy, Simpson, Carrazzo, Judd, Scotland, Henderson, Armfield, Ellard, Yarran, Jamison, Walker, Warnock, Tuohy, Garlett

Gone: Laidler, Duigan, O'hAilpin, Betts, Thornton, Joseph, Davies

No real notable outs other than Betts. At that stage we were top 4 (if not close to) in clearances and inside 50 differential with a young list profile. 50-75% of the list should have been on the rise.

Malthouse and Wiley have destroyed the great strength of this side - effective clean clearances.

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Get SOS back so he can overlook players like Wingard. Nah thanks.

We need a renovation but you just dont throw everything away.
Melbourne tried that and look how theyre shaping up.

Look at St Kilda's list and who has played for them this year. Lots of kids and no names. Newnes, Wright, Templeton, Webster, Saunders, Curren...nothing special. Loads of inexperience

Everyone would have said before the season started that our list was much better than St Kilda's.

Forget about results for the moment (no doubt they will experience some thumpings as young sides do) - one thing you notice from St Kilda early in the season is that they are playing for the coach.

You cannot say the same about Carlton - there is no enthusiasm.

Now people can say its a lack of leadership amongst the Carlton group but you rarely saw such a lack of enthusiasm under Ratten.

You can see it in the looks on their faces when they have possession.

There is so much confusion.

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