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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:38 pm 
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RickJ wrote:

Rowe > Casboult. Gets more of it, looks like a footballer, marks at least as well, and can kick.


Rowe looks more natural forward. Casboult's played some good games, mostly when he's allowed to run around the ground more so than stuck forward. Played a couple of very good games in that role before the Sydney wash-out. As young blokes are they're up and down but worth persisting with for sure. Like to see us work on Casboult's rucking during the off-season. Could be a valuable 2nd ruck. Could be a handy "Leigh Brown" type. Rowe looked like he had the confidence finally to do ok at this level up forward, especially as a 2nd forward.

Like to see us play Waite and Henderson in the key positions and one of Rowe of Casboult as a 3rd tall 2nd ruck. Right now Rowe is the one in front after last night. That would give the Mick his "Pies Premiership" look when he had Cloke, Dawes and Brown doing the work up forward. Menzel into the side too like Sidebottom at Collingwood, back young blokes in the key defensive spots, ala Reid and Nathan Brown at the Pies, in our case Watson (this is the only problematic one of course) and the structure is the same. Mick would feel right at home.

Sounds simple.....just actually have to be able to play now. There's always the hard part...lol!


Why not Rowe & Casboult forward w Henderson?

They can both relieve in the ruck, both work hard to create a contest and can kick goals. Having them plus Kruezer may be a good option. Henderson then plays the smart mobile key forward who we try and isolate.

Let Waite then go to CHB. Like Walker it's where he played his best and most consistent football and he is a very good match up for the Riewoldts, Clokes, Reid's & Kennedy's etc and will take a lot of pressure of Jamison. Very good third up and rebound player as well.

I think it would also help him with his longevity.



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:43 pm 
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I didn't give a damn about the result..

What I was glad about is that they stood up physically and refused to be bullied. They stood their ground physically. All the other stuff is irrelevant.

Tackling was weak in parts, but for the most part it was passable - I hate the corralling of players with the ball, go in and tackle them before they have time to make decisions and handpass it out.

Watch Port Adelaide and see how they attack. That Chad Wingard - what a player. They are getting hard edged players into their team- not players who are congratulated and patted on the back for winning one game in five. The media feed this cycle of congratulating Carlton players for winning the odd game here and there. Big headed high draft pick players is not what we need. Hard edged physical players is Carlton's requirement.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:44 pm 
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Just throwing this out there - can Henderson and Waite play in the same forward line? They are both much more lead-up forwards than stay-at-home forwards.

They played forward against Geelong in round 21 2010. Kicked three goals a piece.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:59 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
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Just throwing this out there - can Henderson and Waite play in the same forward line? They are both much more lead-up forwards than stay-at-home forwards.

They played forward against Geelong in round 21 2010. Kicked three goals a piece.


..correct, and Waite that night gave Taylor a footballing lesson, and a young Hendo out-marked scarlet quite a few times that night too..

..thing is as we all know, we need to build a future fwd combo, and waite won't be a part of this, can't even rely on him for the present either.. ..i think Rowe in the AFL is much more KPP than a pinch-hitter in the ruck.. .he tries hard but struggles in the ruck and we lose a lot when he goes into the middle.. ..i think Bolt is actually improving his ruckwork and i'd persevere with bolt as the 2nd ruck/fwd.. ..i would have hendo and rowe as the two fulltime KPFs..

..main thing is, our smalls up fwd need to get their defensive pressure and hunger back to what we need it to be..

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:11 pm 
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Hmm, the same Saad who didn't play?

May have been Milera :$

Irrespective, played on someone far smaller than KP height.


..last season played on some of the big/power fwds, and actually was never dominated.. ..hasn't had more than a few [3 highest?] goals kicked on him, and considering some of his opponents last season it was what we all assumed would naturally happen.. ..not saying he will make it, but not ruling him out either.. ....i think experience and confidence can go some way towards mitigating his obvious acceleration and agility issues.. ..both can be improved upon but it is a low base.. ..should really be sent to vic athletics, and get him doing sprint training.. ..those big legs ought to give some power over the initial burst, the main thing for him is to keep moving, so he's not so flat footed but will need a couple more pre-seasons to get those kinds of miles into the legs.. ..some good boxing training too to improve reflexes and get him more comfortable hitting bodies and getting battered.. ..with his big frame he should be crashing into packs and scuttling any pack situations down back..

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:31 pm 
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Our game plan makes me sick every week i say it (and we won) lucky saints r no good. Always kicking to contest, kicking straight to opp,long blind bombs out of defence, against good side we would lost again last night.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:40 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:

Watch Port Adelaide and see how they attack. That Chad Wingard - what a player. They are getting hard edged players into their team- not players who are congratulated and patted on the back for winning one game in five. The media feed this cycle of congratulating Carlton players for winning the odd game here and there. Big headed high draft pick players is not what we need. Hard edged physical players is Carlton's requirement.


Troy Menzel reminds me of Wingard, hoping that he raises the bar to his standards. Impressive 2nd year.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:12 pm 
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Just relieved to win. The confidence of the players is very low coupled by players being under done (Carazzo, Betts and Yarran) and not fit to play (Murphy).

Rowe did well and his kicking for goal is a lot more reliable then others. Something I like about him is his upper body agility which sees him being able to twist his body to suit the direction of the ball. This is something that Hampson lacks.

Henderson, Judd and Simpson very good.

Don't know what people are expecting with Kruezer. He doubled McEvoys possessions and again he got over 100 super coach points. I have watched the replay twice now and he appears a lot in the TV screen ... but you hardly see McEvoy ... that says something about the way each plays.

I think Yarran needs to go back to the back line ... our run and carry coming out of defence is not good plus his run and carry allows us to move the ball through the corridor ... furthermore his run and carry gives us a numerical advantage in the midfield.

The 3 amigos in the same zone doesn't work ... if you look closely they don't actually "assist" each other.

The way the song was sung might be a sign of honesty with the group ... "yeah, big deal ... we beat a spud team".

Watson is a real problem and the signs are not good ... predominantly spoils with left hand and doesn't adjust to the situation ... short arms ... lacks speed ... lacks anticipation for when the lead is coming ... and lacks "intent' when spoiling ... he doesn't "refuse" to be outmarked.

Our speed is exaggerated ... we lack speed between the arcs and at stoppages which is really evident at centre bounces ... we get and hurriedly kick around corners ... the opposition get it and they are off running in line with their intended target.

We may need to go into Friday nights game with another tall.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:52 am 
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Has Watson ever been tried forward?

As a defender he is hopeless. Plays behind his man constantly and has no sense of anticipation. Maybe a few marks up forward might get that prodigious kick of his working for us.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:32 am 
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I thought Watson did reasonably well.

He plays one game and is expected to be BOG and adjust to the pace after not playing at this level for a year.

Some of you must have been pretty good footballers yourselves to be so tough on him.

His kicking to position was very good (one exception).

Without him, Hendo plays back and we have no lead up forward.

Is that what you want?

McInness is the golden haired boy but had a far worse game than Watson.

Repeating what the so-called and self professed armchair experts spruik doesn't make you right.

Give the kid a chance to play footy. He has the grand total of 11 games under his belt. IIR, two of those, including his first ever, were against Collingwood where we were thrashed and he was probably traumatized.

He will either make it or not but after screaming for Menzell and Buckley and co to be given a run of games to prove themselves doesn't make sense if you then call for Watson to be delisted after one game this year.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:02 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
McInness is the golden haired boy but had a far worse game than Watson.


Can't agree with that, McInnes was really good.
However the criticism of Watson is silly.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:52 am 
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McInnes was as bad as I've seen him until he came back later in the game


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:54 pm 
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There were a few pleasing things about the game but let's not get carried away about beating a bottom 4 side.
1. The selection of Watson - it was great to see him get a game finally. Now Mick should stick with him for 6 weeks so we can see what he has to offer. He has very little confidence BUT given some time and support I think he still could find a role in our back 6. He may not ever be an All Australian FB/CHB but he still has a role.

2. Youngsters - all the youngsters did some nice things Lucas, Watson, McInnes. Now just need to get Graham and Menzel +/- Mitchell into the team.

3. Simpson, Judd, Hendo all impressed.

4. Rowe did a few nice things - I don't think he is a long term option but certainly better than Hampson and Casboult. When does mitchell get a go??

5. More direct footy than last month and used corridor moor especially when inside 50.

The Negatives:
*Yarran still infuriates me with lack if intensity and disappearing for huge chunks of the game.
* Indiscriminate kicking from defence - Touhy, Jamo, Scotland etc...
* Kreuzer still not impacting the game enough (despite playing an ok game)
* Judd reliance whilst midfield was beaten again.

I am not getting excited by the win but I am happy to bank it and try to build on it next week against North, but that will require a 20% improvement in all facets.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:21 pm 
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We beat the pricks, that's all the discussion needed.

Hate the wankers


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:25 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
We beat the pricks, that's all the discussion needed.

Hate the wankers


It was a nice feeling wasn't it! :-D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:26 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
We beat the pricks, that's all the discussion needed.

Hate the wankers


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:52 pm 
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Captain Dan wrote:
Have never understood the Nick Riewoldt booing, it happened a bit last night. Judd was always booed playing for the Blues long before the eye gouging, chicken wing incidents.

Good players often tend to get booed by the opposition fans.



Reiwoldt wasnt booed by carlton supporters,stkilda supporters say ROOOOOOOOOOOO everytime he gets the ball


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:58 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
We beat the pricks, that's all the discussion needed.

Hate the wankers


I am with you King Kenny :clap:


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