I think it's more about the durability of our KPP's.
When Jamison, Henderson, Kreuzer and Waite are all fit and on the park our KPP stocks are OK.
Hopefully the likes of Casboult and Watson can improve substantially this year.

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..that was part of my point, our experienced kpp's aren't the most durable, and the others are all inexperienced.. ..krooz is actually pretty durable, it took an acl to make him miss months, otherwise i don't think he's injury prone per'se.. ..considering he played almost 2 and a half years upon debut, for such a young kpp that's high durability right there i reckon..

..i'm hoping Hendo's injury problems are part of a young man growing into his body, where as players of the ages like waite and jamo, seem to just be injury prone and/or lack the high fortitude to withstand AFL battering..

..i think we still lack a solid FF option, a lot is riding on Mitchell being good enough.. ..we can play others thru that position, but they're makeshift and not actual FF's.. ..and i think our KPD stocks trend more towards CHB and outside of Jamo at FB we don't have much..

..it takes kpps a few years to really develop, the sooner we can get games into our young kpps [provided they're worthy], the better.. ..good thing is, MM has shown over the years that he's prepared to give kids consistent opportunity, and knows it requires patience.. ..the issue with our current list is we don't have experienced durable kpp's to help lighten the kids' load when they line up as kpps..

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Everyone knew Ratten couldn't coach'
Even port didn't give him a gig'

Losing to Johnny come lately teams and Port had nothing to do with injuries.

The media didn't sack Rotten...... He was unsatisfactory-Five years and we were never looking dangerous against the good teams.
He couldn't even develop leadership. He wasn't ever a great leader himself and had no clue.
He sent us backwards with his time wasting.
Even his list management was a shambles.
Tactically poor with little innovation'
Blend personality and little intellect.........
Had to go!!!!!______In my opinion at LEAST three years too late-

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Yep. A lot of that is probably true Synbad. And I'm not here to push Rattens barrow. He had plenty of faults and the process to appoint him or lack of process) was indicative of recent Carlton.
But the hypicrisy of some posters is staggering.
We want Ratten sacked because he undeperformed yet we're making excuses for Malthouse. It was a good list last year but suddenly its not.

And by the way, yes you're right, even Port didnt give Ratten the main job. But from memory, apart from Carlton, the hordes werent knocking on Micks door either so lets hope thats not an indicator.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

The process to appoint Malthouse was pretty similar to the one to appoint Ratten as well.

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And the one to appoint Pagan , and the one the appoint Brittain and the one to appoint Parkin ..... do you see a trend?

I'm not looking for excuses and neither is Malthouse last time I checked.

I think the list has top four potential (as do six or seven other teams) and so does Mick.

How about we let him coach and see what happens rather than trying to preempt it?

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I didn't expect us to finish top 4 last year. My pre-season prediction last year was that we were a bottom half of the 8 kind of side, but may sneak into top 4 with an above average run of luck...or we could miss the finals altogether if we had a below average run of luck.

My prediction for us this year has not changed from last year. The change of coach has not changed my expectations from this time last year. However, looking to the medium-to-longer term, the change of coach I think will be for the best.

And just because that is what I expect, does not mean that is what I want. I would dearly love us to be premiers in 2013. I just don't see it with the team at the moment (which was built by Ratten, but is currently undergoing renovations by Malthouse....what we do not know yet is if those renovations are minor or major)....

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I think we'll have to call the plumber in early sue (major leakage), but once that's repaired it should be good to go. I don't expect the reno's to be completed until May...after that we should be comfortable with the new plans and the finish on the exterior will look superb. I'd suggest we'll do some cleaning out next summer and perhaps even look at going to market and buying something bigger.

Bombing long for easy marks by defenders. Shoddy renos.

You should probably take a look at the Adelaide NAB Cup game rather than the final to get a better gauge how the team will play.

I prefer the Fremantle game.

Get Phil & Amity from The Block!
= FLAGS!!!!!

You might prefer the Freo game, but remember that was inferior opposition. That was virtually their reserves side. Adelaide was pretty close to full strength.

I don't think that's the way TC works

See I have a different view BBW. IMO we got Mick to figure out whether or not we've got a good list. I don't think we really know. For mine, the whole idea of getting a bloke who's coached flags at a couple of clubs was that he should be able to look at our list, over time, and work out what's required for a shot at #17. He's going to need at least a season to do this.

Unless of course we really do have a great list in which case I'll have #17 this year thank you.

West Coast in 1989 finished 11th, Mick took over in 1990 and they finished 3rd. The next year they were premiers. Given the list comparisons, I think this is more what we could expect. At Collingwood he took a year longer to get to the grand final, but I think that was complicated by a raft of retirements and a list overhaul in 2001.

I think we want ratten sacked because he wasted give years and some in developing leadership, confidence'game plan, etc.
We're not even sure what Bryce Gibbs is capable of doing.

After over five years still alot of questions about our list BV-

Make no mistake this is Ratten's confused list.

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I think we want ratten sacked because he wasted give years and some in developing leadership, confidence'game plan, etc.
We're not even sure what Bryce Gibbs is capable of doing.

After over five years still alot of questions about our list BV-

Make no mistake this is Ratten's confused list.

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Hmmmm ...

Assumtion:
Everyone knew Ratten couldn't coach : Oh really

Under Ratten we made steady progress ... except for a year where we were completely destroyed by injuries ... even the media now admits this. Our greatest coach ... David Parkin ... many times stated that Ratten had a great football brain for coaching. So did another premiership coach ... Robert Walls. But obviously you know more about Ratten than they do.
S0 ... using the word 'Everyone' is not just an overstatement ... it is completely incorrect ... hahah ... laughable.

Assumption:
Even port didn't give him a gig'

This shows a little bit of ignorance ... sorry Synbad. Ratten knocked back the Port job as did other candidates who also knew they were a complete basket case.

OK ...

How many years did it take for Tricky Micky to win his first premiership?
How many years did it take Bomber Thomson to win his first premiership?

Carlton missed a huge opportunity to have a young coach and a favorite son, coach this team (which he built) into a successful erra. Instead we went out and appointed a Collingwood coach. Even you could coach this team to premiership Synbad and now Tricky Micky will reap the rewards ... If he does not succeed in the next 2 years ... then its a BIG FAIL.

Lets hope that he does succeed. We all want whats best for the mighty Blues.

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