Great post Hopkins. We need Ceasar to enter the cage.

Simpson did.

Sticks is now coaching.

"Carlton president Stephen Kernahan said in a radio interview that Ratten had been instructed to return to the coaching box for the match instead of issuing instructions from the sidelines"

Ratten is the coach, is old enough to decide how to coach and which will work best. If you don't like his methods sack him.

I would have preferred him on the bench last night since our tactics failed and had limited options anyway. Individual encouragement was needed especially when teammates aren't going to support each other eg no encouragement of Boots, no remonstrating with Guerra and some selfish play. Seriously drop Garlett now do not pick him until he plays for the team again.

Bah so over it

The pattern of the game was predictable. Hawthorn moved it forward When we got it we went wide to one option. small sideways 35m kicks which gave Hawthorn time to get numbers back. There was simply not enough spread. When we turned it over eventually Hawthorn went forward with more purpose or someone was simply on his own. It was a sign of a side with no confidence and no proper game plan.
When we got it into attack we had knowbody with a big physical presence to kick it to. Hampson is not a forward and never will be yet Ratten has persisted with him there because he wants Warnock and Kreuzer in the team.
Everbody knows what I think of Warnock and Kreuzer's knee is obviously not right.
Why play Kreuzer at all. Put him in mothballs for the rest of the year
I simply would play Mitchell on Brown or Tarrant next week because it makes sense.
Mitchell is the only key forward we have on our list who isnt injured.
Hampson cant play that possie. So why play him there

The treatment of Bootsma was a disgrace. No support from his teammates .
Then we go one man down for the second half. Why not play him somewhere else Ratts.
Disgraceful by all involved

No point going on. I got my wish and we were smashed the first 3 quarters.

The real issue is the club itself. Its lack of looking outside its own arsehole has lead to this.
Even sacking Ratts doesnt get me excited because Kernahan is still at the helm.

Hopefully a Mitchell or Herman is out there, sees what an abyss we are and has the time and motivation to challenge the empty suits now.
I am 49 and want to see a flag before I kick the bucket.

Kruezer is not a forward, he doesn't lead, doesn't take enough marks and has no presence in a pack situation. If he can't play in the ruck (and sadly I think at 200cm he is too small to be an AFL ruck) then I'm not sure what position he can play. I used to subscribe to the additional ruckrover concept but he isn't smart enough with the ball to deal with todays congestion around the ball. He has the same issue as 1AW when played in the middle, can get it but just throws the ball onto the boot in hope as unable to create the time and space required to be a real midfielder.

Hampson is a much better option up front than Kruezer, and probably around the ground as well at the moment.

I think most of us will be long gone before we see another flag.

Such a @#$%&! waste to have one of the best players of his generation and to have reaped nothing from it at the pointy end of the season.

I never said he is a forward. I mean "going forward". Anyway, agree with mostly what you had to say. Longer term, he needs to play in the ruck and resting forward when required. Otherwise, he is of no use to the team.

Kreuzer is not fit... give him a month of at least Ratten !!!..

Bloody being murdered

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Exactly Sinners. Selfish by the clueless coach.
Long term I see Kreuzer as a inside mid. Too short to be a ruckman

Perfect second ruckman .

Hampson has no repeated efforts.
Hes a 20 meter player....
and he needs to either find a huger tank or be traded.

Warnock will come good during the finals.... oops wait....!!!

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would get murdered as an inside mid. won't have the agility or skill base to be fully effective.

Needed a new thread

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I think, going forward........we're not.

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Eddie McGuire stood by his man in 2005 when they finished second last from memory ... played in a prelim and lost by under a goal and then won a flag in 2010. In 2005 the Collingwood supporters wanted Malthouse's blodd ... they were seething.

I am not advocating that Ratten will resurrect the team and go on and win a flag.

What I am advocating is that it is too simplistic to just think getting rid of Ratten will solve all our issues. Our issues run deeper because our club still does not accept that it must invest heavily in recruiting and development both in dollars and mindset. We get Judd ... "we got our man" and so we have the mindset that this is what will bring us long term success. We believe that we can build a team on who we can acquire from elsewhere. It won't happen.

The thought that we can invest in a part time VFL coach is wrong for us. We just don't get it.

We have gathered too many players with poor execution in decision making and disposal ... we are the worst short kicking team in the competition.

We have gathered too many talls that lack aerial judgment, struggle to take marks in tight congested situations and spoil in tight congested situations.

Our development is lacking with players

(a) not going up in notches as they gain game time and

(b) better credentialed players not showing enough to put them in key spots in games (for example the likes of Gibbs, Yarran and Walker playing in pockets and flanks and not in key midfield match winning roles).

Okay, go ahead folks and sack Ratten ... but nothing will change at Carlton because "we still see what we see and therefore we will be what we be".

NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL WE CHANGE OUR MINDSET.

Problem is MM showed he could get a group of mostly spuds/b-graders playing out of their skins to reach GFs in 02/03.

Look at what Longmire does with quite a few b-graders/spuds at Sydney....Mattner, Rhys Shaw, Ted Richards...rejects.

It is the coaches job to get the best out of what he has available to him....Ratten has demonstrated he can't do that.

In fact look at how many of our talented players have gone backwards this year - Gibbs, Garlett, Walker, Yarran, Lucas....you could throw in Kreuzer but he's injured. He has failed to develop any protection for Judd in 5 years.

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I agree that at our best we are good enough to beat anyone, problem is we have to be playing at our best all the time to win and that isn't possible all the time, we don't seem to have the depth to cover any of our top players having a bad game and our second tier players must play out of their skins for us to be a good side.

I thought that we were over rated heavily after the Collingwood game for the above reasons, we need Everything to go right on the day to play our best footy to beat sides like Collingwood, West Coast etc and we are not there yet.

We are a inside mid and a marking key forward away from a good side.

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"Until you get the calculator and it says we can't, we will not be stopping in our pursuit to do that," Ratten said.

I can't wait until one of the teachers on this forum tell me it's mathematically impossible.

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The club has pulled Ratts chat with Crunchtime this morning. Let him talk you flogs.

unless there is more too it

11 chains from defence to attack for 8 scores for Hawthorn last night.

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