Persecuted mentality

just bad luck

injuries

and excuses.

Whats this leadership course they have been doing called again????

How long have they been around the club?

noone takes ownership at Carlton...!!!
From president down to the players.

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Well I have read and digested every word of every post and I agree with a lot of it and I don't agree with some.

So what?

We probably have several thousand years worth of watching, playing, coaching and umpiring footy in the TC posters and I would be surprised if the answer weren't here somewhere.
The MC could do worse than to get someone to read the site. They'd benefit in several ways:
1. They'd get a better feel for what the fanatical supporters and members are feeling on a daily basis.
2. They might actually read something they hadn't thought of.
3. They might actually learn something.
4. They might feel embarrassed knowing how we feel about our club's lack of progress with what on paper is a pretty decent list. (And it IS our club. I have a 2003 fightback teeshirt to prove it.)
5. Or they might not.

I'd be very surprised if anybody from the club actually does read this because I imagine it is just considered a rant fest by a lot of bogans with nothing more to do with their time. The fact is, WE contribute millions of dollars to the club each and every year and unless they can find a sponsor to replace 45,000 times the membership fee and buy merchandise to the tune of several hundred thousand a year, they should just ignore us at their peril. Or they will end up with 35,000 or 30,000 members next year.

I have been actively supporting Carlton so far for 52 years. I started late (ten). Before that, I just knew my dad did and so I suppose I did too in my way. We didn't have the internet of course in those days but the supporters were no less passionate. They just had to ba passionate quietly. Now they (we) have a vice that can be heard daily by anyone that wants to listen.

I don't purport to know what is happening at PP, nor should I know. But I would like to say to anybody listening, that I am jack of what is happening week in and week out this season. Losing is just part of it. It is the apparent lack of tenacity displayed bymany, maybe most of the people we put on the park every week, including last night. Robbo has nowhere the skill level of Yarran, Judd, Gibbs, Betts, Garlett and most of the others he shows up week after week for effort. I could say the same for Touhy. Scotland and Simmo usually have a crack. Judd, but his body language is pretty ordinary these few weeks. Of course there are others who go hard but there are too many who seem to just run around and get paid every week

FOR GOODNESS SAKE! GIVE US A REASON TO WATCH, LISTEN, BARRACK, SPEND OUR HARD-EARNED AND THAT REASON IS HAVE A BLOODY CRACK IF YOU WANT TO PUT ON MY NAVY BLUE JUMPER.

That's all. I'm just bewildered.

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Judd
Garlett
Joseph

Wait, what?

What exactly does Jacobs offer that Warnock doesn't? Agree with you that we should have done more to keep him, but to say he's anything more than a tap ruckman himself is stretching things a bit..

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looked like Jacobs got the perfect opportunity to return home and took it.

There was no stopping Jacobs going home.

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Jacobs has the luxury of having a genuine key forward (Walker), and a genuine forward/ruck (Tippett) of which we have neither.

He does a little bit around the ground, but has kicked just 1 goal for the year as - unlike if he was still playing for Carlton - he has no need to do anything else but give his midfielders first use.

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Simo, please don't try to bump Daniel Kerr again

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Not convinced that it was purely go-home factor, but also being considered fourth in line. That he didn't want to go to Port Adelaide, and how fondly he spoke of/continues to speak of his time at Carlton tends to reflect that.

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Yup, Jacobs wasn't going to stay, so forget about him.

I was disappointed that of the four rucks he was the one to leave as he showed in the final in Sydney with 44 hitouts and 15 disposals (sad fathers day drive back to Canberra for me) that he stepped up in big games, which other ruckman at the club has shown that to date? I think I read an article this year were Jacobs had highest hitouts to advantage and lowest opposition shark rating. Warnock is woeful at everything but taping the ball to the wrong spot? Apart from a single game against Melbourne has he been a liability or positive for Carlton?

The closeness of us to the eight and therefore finals will hurt our run next year, put the cue in the rack and start giving more youngsters a go.

We are not going to win a final this year even if we sneak into the eight.

I am thinking we need a new game plan, does this mean a new coach? Potentially?

Why is Yarawonga's forward structure better than ours? Perhaps they have a big bodied marking forward who kicks straight and knows what to do with the ball in front of goal? (no I do not want him back). Hendo is a great backman leave him there please!

Oh we are so brave aren't we.

two weeks in a row - brave...

Finally we have overtaken Essendon* - cos that's what really counts - doesn't it?


We are so brave

so very brave...


mind you

we are @#$%&! losing a lot nowadays!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Yarrawonga?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Like the three ruckman idea in theory.

In practice, it's bloody woeful. Noticed far too often last night, whoever would be rucking would drift forward, take Cox with them, but would still get picked up by Glass, and then compete 2 on 1, allowing some pretty easy marks. Meanwhile the other ruckman would be caught in an awkward position between centre half forward and the centre, being completely useless.

Not only does it make it impossible for the rucks to compete against two blokes, but gives the smaller blokes bugger all to work with, as the forward line is now congested, and no room to move, but also less chance of it hitting the deck as Cox is more than likely going to take a shitload of uncontested grabs against guys like Kreuzer, Hampson and Warnock who are hardly great contested grabs to begin with.

My overly simplistic way to try and counter that would be to try and rotate the rucks through the interchange, rather than having them push up...giving the smalls more crack at the ground ball, and nullifying the opportunity for the opposition ruck or third tall to cut off our inside 50s at will (Brian Lake just does it with ease every game...O'Brien too). Is it worth robbing Peter to pay Paul, and go with 2 midfield rotations? Probably not, in fact its almost suicide.

On the other hand, we're losing far more games due to a forward line structure that is picked off by all and sundry, than we do due to lack of run in the last quarter.

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See how he goes for New Norfolk on Saturday

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judd is about 80% not playing beyond this contract

waste

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Hope he's at least doing a good job as environmental ambassador....

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Did anyone else notice the 5 min period in the first quarterwhere it looked like the backline didn't no their opponents and roles?

Cost one goal should have cost 3

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Skill execution.
Positioning.
Lack of energy or work ethic.

Who is responsible for all that?

I said it four weeks ago. The season was shot then - you could just see it in the way things had changed, like they had found out their dad had been lying to the the whole time and they were adopted.

The resignation was so clearly evident.

My internet warrior advice then was to pack up on the season, and play to what can become a winning structure once learned and ensure inexperienced players are given some experience. I was told to STFU, but I see that others have now come to the same realization. It's probably one of the few times I wish I was actually wrong!!

There are some players who just aren't up to it. For the rest, it's one of two things:

1 - They DGAF about the coach, match committee and "gameplan" and this is showing in their body language
2 - They are playing to instruction and are just rubbish.

I don't believe it is number 2.

Dissent in a team can be cancerous, and you can see that over time it as ebbed away to the point even the captain doesn't give a stuff anymore.

Carlton won't make the finals or (more importantly) challenge. But I don't think it's shot forever. Just this year. So get experience into young players, go to the draft, get at least one highly rated player.

The second thing is the current people in charge, ie. Ratten, I believe is done, and the language of the playing group think so too. Watch the quarter time huddles. Nobody gives a stuff.

I feel bad for fellow Carlton supporters because they shouldn't have to watch this crap and have their heart smashed into pieces. I love the footy club and I can't stand seeing what happens each week when I know better is damn well there. So I have to look at it logically.

What a shitty place to exist as a footy club.

Can't stand the funny farmers at Norfolk (Location of old psychiatric hospital) bunch of hill billy thugs!

Sadly I am a Pies supporter, Glenorchy that is Our name was tarnished by Aker playing for us (though apparently the coffers were overflowing).

The Pies have produced such awesome Carlton players as Aaron Joesph (forgive us)!! Though we did also produced Wiggo ! I

Sadly my favourite players Cresswell, Fletcher and Lovell never played for the Blues. Peter Hudson was a pretty good player who started at the Pies went downhill after that

Get experience into young players, make the finals, win one, go to the draft, get at least one highly rated player.

Top 4 was gone weeks ago but the aim should still be to salvage something from the season. Giving Lucas & Kerr a go shouldn't stop us getting into the 8.

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