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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:20 pm 
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Dominator7 wrote:
Curnow is definite out. Ratts dropped that hint in the presser.


That's one change I expect. He just needs to regain some touch. His disposal has been embarrasing. Not sure what has gone wrong. McLean to replace.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 pm 
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Didn't we hire Paul Williams as our clearance/contested footy coach this year? '
Not only could he not play contested footy but to me it also shows he has no idea about it either. :idea:

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 pm 
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We are getting smashed around the ball, so get McLean in there. We know that he is slow and not a great kick, but we need another body on the inside to try to get some ball going our way and he can at least provide that.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:15 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Didn't we hire Paul Williams as our clearance/contested footy coach this year? '
Not only could he not play contested footy but to me it also shows he has no idea about it either. :idea:

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:29 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Didn't we hire Paul Williams as our clearance/contested footy coach this year? '
Not only could he not play contested footy but to me it also shows he has no idea about it either. :idea:

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 10:44 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Didn't we hire Paul Williams as our clearance/contested footy coach this year? '
Not only could he not play contested footy but to me it also shows he has no idea about it either. :idea:

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Don't like that green jacket Ratts has got and Sticks is looking a bit blue in the face.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
I'm as disappointed and pissed off as anyone and I honestly want the team to come out breathing fire and demolish Melbourne. Who cares if they're shithouse and it's only "papering over the cracks", I want the team to start learning how to win and be hard at the contest no matter the opposition.

Be !@#$%& ferocious for a change Blues!!!


I agree Wojee. Although it willl be a week late it's time to stop worrying about what shape we will be in come September, and start worrying about the now.

The club should treat yesterday's loss like Brisbane did when we did them at PP in 2001 by 74 points in a game that Leigh Matthews still quotes as the turning point and the catalyst to their success.

Geelong was another one in 2007 who had flirted around the finals like we had, but with no success. They were perceived like us as having talent, but no real substance. After Round 5 Nth beat them at Kardinia Park to put them 2-3 and the place was a rabble. During the game Nth players reported that the Cats were arguing, finger pointing, blaming each other for mistakes on the field etc.

The next week they went out and beat Richmond by 157 points which was the first of 15 in a row, and 19 out of 20 that saw them take the flag.

Do I believe they will turn it around? Probably not, but there is some talent on this list, and the only thing 'new' about this secret to beating the Blues is that it is now common knowlege to the media and general public. Hawthorn, Sydney, St Kilda, and Adelaide have been doing it since the mid 2000's

It's only Melbourne, but the mindset on the man and ball shouldn't change. The players have no control over the President, trading, drafting, game plan, membership, marketing, coaching staff, training methods but there are some things that they can control and it needs to start Sunday.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:15 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Wojee wrote:
I'm as disappointed and pissed off as anyone and I honestly want the team to come out breathing fire and demolish Melbourne. Who cares if they're shithouse and it's only "papering over the cracks", I want the team to start learning how to win and be hard at the contest no matter the opposition.

Be !@#$%& ferocious for a change Blues!!!


I agree Wojee. Although it willl be a week late it's time to stop worrying about what shape we will be in come September, and start worrying about the now.

The club should treat yesterday's loss like Brisbane did when we did them at PP in 2001 by 74 points in a game that Leigh Matthews still quotes as the turning point and the catalyst to their success.

Geelong was another one in 2007 who had flirted around the finals like we had, but with no success. They were perceived like us as having talent, but no real substance. After Round 5 Nth beat them at Kardinia Park to put them 2-3 and the place was a rabble. During the game Nth players reported that the Cats were arguing, finger pointing, blaming each other for mistakes on the field etc.

The next week they went out and beat Richmond by 157 points which was the first of 15 in a row, and 19 out of 20 that saw them take the flag.

Do I believe they will turn it around? Probably not, but there is some talent on this list, and the only thing 'new' about this secret to beating the Blues is that it is now common knowlege to the media and general public. Hawthorn, Sydney, St Kilda, and Adelaide have been doing it since the mid 2000's

It's only Melbourne, but the mindset on the man and ball shouldn't change. The players have no control over the President, trading, drafting, game plan, membership, marketing, coaching staff, training methods but there are some things that they can control and it needs to start Sunday.



If we had players half as good as Voss, Lappin, Black, Lappin, Power and Akermanis, or Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Chapman and the Coreys on our list - then I might even half believe you. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:40 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
Wojee wrote:
I'm as disappointed and pissed off as anyone and I honestly want the team to come out breathing fire and demolish Melbourne. Who cares if they're shithouse and it's only "papering over the cracks", I want the team to start learning how to win and be hard at the contest no matter the opposition.

Be !@#$%& ferocious for a change Blues!!!


I agree Wojee. Although it willl be a week late it's time to stop worrying about what shape we will be in come September, and start worrying about the now.

The club should treat yesterday's loss like Brisbane did when we did them at PP in 2001 by 74 points in a game that Leigh Matthews still quotes as the turning point and the catalyst to their success.

Geelong was another one in 2007 who had flirted around the finals like we had, but with no success. They were perceived like us as having talent, but no real substance. After Round 5 Nth beat them at Kardinia Park to put them 2-3 and the place was a rabble. During the game Nth players reported that the Cats were arguing, finger pointing, blaming each other for mistakes on the field etc.

The next week they went out and beat Richmond by 157 points which was the first of 15 in a row, and 19 out of 20 that saw them take the flag.

Do I believe they will turn it around? Probably not, but there is some talent on this list, and the only thing 'new' about this secret to beating the Blues is that it is now common knowlege to the media and general public. Hawthorn, Sydney, St Kilda, and Adelaide have been doing it since the mid 2000's

It's only Melbourne, but the mindset on the man and ball shouldn't change. The players have no control over the President, trading, drafting, game plan, membership, marketing, coaching staff, training methods but there are some things that they can control and it needs to start Sunday.



If we had players half as good as Voss, Lappin, Black, Lappin, Power and Akermanis, or Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Chapman and the Coreys on our list - then I might even half believe you. :wink:



At least we have a good late blooming coach like Ratten ... tracking beautifuly to emulate Thompson... and a president wwho promises to deliver 5 flags in 3 years.....

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:48 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:

Has Brock been given a chance to establish himself in the side - He hasn't played more than 2 games in a row since he was drafted 3 years ago-

blokes like Duigan- Curnow- Touhy- Armfield - Ellard - Russell - Lucas have been given huge blocks of games and not produced consistantly - Yet Brock is expected to walk in and tear it up first game back

The way the club and supporters have treated this bloke is disgraceful


Brock was offered a 1 year contract with Demons, and we offered him 3 years.
I think the club has done the right thing by him and his savings account...don't you worry about that.

I'd say Armfield has earned his spot and also had to put up with a bit of bias against...if it is bias you are suggesting.
Army brings good negating skills, intensity and pace to get to a contest which Brock doesn't: sure he lacks a bit of class, but makes up for that and is ahead of the so called 'better' players on our list.

I agree with Ryan, and I'd suggest that Brock has not shown much when given an opportunity...even in his last game against his old side, against kids he missed sitters and really didn't show he was better than the kids.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind him coming in and showing some of that grunt he can give us, to save the frail undeveloped body of a first or second year pup. We are desperate...the cupboard is bare. So bare we may have to put up with Russell, the underdone Duigan and Curnow (although he did do some very very good things on the weekend, including desire for the contest).

Stick Tuohy in the guts and lets see what he can offer....against kids. Have to say he is a very nice kick though.


Naturally not a fan of the Brock trade. Not then and certainly not now. However, the bloke hasn't had a decent run at the Seniors even once - something a fair few of our players have had despite off patches. I think he should come in this week and help out in the guts. Free up Judd (who may get more attention now Murphy isn't there to tag) a bit more and get some clearances hopefully. He should be told that he is in for a month to show his wares and prove to the MC that he should play. Now, I am not really expecting him to be playing for us in Rd 23, but we don't know. He might grow in to the role again.

Besides, it will be nice to see good form in the twos actually rewarded for a change. Despite what some think of Ellard, McLean and others - if they are doing the right thing in the twos, surely they should get a go at some stage. Might even have a positive cultural benefit if people are promoted on merit instead of being elevated on name, or Thorntoned back to the seconds (should that be the new verb for ommitted?).

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:04 am 
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Koro wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:

Has Brock been given a chance to establish himself in the side - He hasn't played more than 2 games in a row since he was drafted 3 years ago-

blokes like Duigan- Curnow- Touhy- Armfield - Ellard - Russell - Lucas have been given huge blocks of games and not produced consistantly - Yet Brock is expected to walk in and tear it up first game back

The way the club and supporters have treated this bloke is disgraceful


Brock was offered a 1 year contract with Demons, and we offered him 3 years.
I think the club has done the right thing by him and his savings account...don't you worry about that.

I'd say Armfield has earned his spot and also had to put up with a bit of bias against...if it is bias you are suggesting.
Army brings good negating skills, intensity and pace to get to a contest which Brock doesn't: sure he lacks a bit of class, but makes up for that and is ahead of the so called 'better' players on our list.

I agree with Ryan, and I'd suggest that Brock has not shown much when given an opportunity...even in his last game against his old side, against kids he missed sitters and really didn't show he was better than the kids.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind him coming in and showing some of that grunt he can give us, to save the frail undeveloped body of a first or second year pup. We are desperate...the cupboard is bare. So bare we may have to put up with Russell, the underdone Duigan and Curnow (although he did do some very very good things on the weekend, including desire for the contest).

Stick Tuohy in the guts and lets see what he can offer....against kids. Have to say he is a very nice kick though.


Naturally not a fan of the Brock trade. Not then and certainly not now. However, the bloke hasn't had a decent run at the Seniors even once - something a fair few of our players have had despite off patches. I think he should come in this week and help out in the guts. Free up Judd (who may get more attention now Murphy isn't there to tag) a bit more and get some clearances hopefully. He should be told that he is in for a month to show his wares and prove to the MC that he should play. Now, I am not really expecting him to be playing for us in Rd 23, but we don't know. He might grow in to the role again.

Besides, it will be nice to see good form in the twos actually rewarded for a change. Despite what some think of Ellard, McLean and others - if they are doing the right thing in the twos, surely they should get a go at some stage. Might even have a positive cultural benefit if people are promoted on merit instead of being elevated on name, or Thorntoned back to the seconds (should that be the new verb for ommitted?).


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:07 am 
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Brock McLean isn't in our next premiership side. Play a kid instrad


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:48 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Brock McLean isn't in our next premiership side. Play a kid instrad

Either is Chris Judd.

Thats not the point.

The point is he should be played in the guts.. cos hes there and a kid wont make any difference in that area .

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:53 am 
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My changes would be
out - murphy, henderson, kreuzer, duigan, curnow, russell, touhy
in - mclean, waite, watson, collins, buckley, bootsma, dale

assumption is henderson/duigan are injured, kreuzer rested/omitted (hasn't been right for a few weeks), curnow/russell/touhy dropped

As for lucas, given that he has had opportunities earlier in the season to impress, I think he needs to earn his next game rather than just being given it (hence behind bootsma/buckley/dale). It means that we will be carrying 3 very light players but realistically we don't have any other options that would push for a spot at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:15 am 
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My changes would be
out - murphy, henderson, kreuzer, duigan, curnow, russell, touhy
in - mclean, waite, watson, collins, buckley, bootsma, dale

assumption is henderson/duigan are injured, kreuzer rested/omitted (hasn't been right for a few weeks), curnow/russell/touhy dropped

As for lucas, given that he has had opportunities earlier in the season to impress, I think he needs to earn his next game rather than just being given it (hence behind bootsma/buckley/dale). It means that we will be carrying 3 very light players but realistically we don't have any other options that would push for a spot at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:24 am 
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Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.

Confirmed also that Murphy will be out for 8-10 weeks.


Things are coasting.........


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:55 am 
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Mckay on SEN......didn't sound to convinced that Waite would get up for this game. His back is still stiff.

Confirmed also that Murphy will be out for 8-10 weeks.


Things are coasting.........


Pretty much confirmed Bootsma and McLean will play. Buckley in consideration as well.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:17 am 
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Given what has been said we could easily look like this:

B: Armfield Bower Bootsma
HB: Yarran Watson Lucas

C: Simpson McLean Scotland Robinson
Foll: Hampson Judd Ellard

HF: Walker Thornton Gibbs
F: Betts Kruezer

Int: Collins Buckley Garlett Touhy

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:42 am 
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Nothing frightens me more than McLean on the MCG.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:51 am 
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I was happy to see us recruit McLean, I thought here was a hard body to help out Judd in the middle. Yes, he's been a major disappointment, but now is the time to say to him that due to injuries a great opportunity exists for him, that a permanent senior position is there if he's good enough. Tell him he's going to get a block of games (three?, four?) in the seniors regardless of how he plays in one or two matches, (should have been retained for the GWS game, another rested) but it's last chance saloon time. He's still only 26, could play for us for years, but if after given a decent run at it he still falls short should never play senior footy for us again.


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