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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:00 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Surprised at the numerous calls to drop Tuohy. Watched the third qtr again the other night and thought he was more than solid.


There lies the problem.

1 quarter aint good enough. He will be a solid player no doubt but now might be a good time to head back to VFL and work on a few things then when the time is right, come back better.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:52 pm 
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At the moment ZT isn't in our best 22. He should go back, gain some more solid time for the Ants, string together some performances in the best and come last few rounds, he can be our pinch hitter if we need to rest some guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:59 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/its-run-versus-height-as-carlton-takes-on-west-coast/story-e6frf9io-1226079706003

I'm reading this as Waite might be out another week. If Ellard is right, I'll think only one change will be made to continue a side building momentum and working as a team. You don't tinker too much with a winning formula when you are flogging top 8 teams.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:22 pm 
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I agree... Zac is a gun in the making, but at the moment looks like he is ready for a regroup in the Ants.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:24 pm 
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I don't think Waite is an automatic selection and neither is Laidler. Once a player has missed three or more games then IMO he should have to earn his place via the Ants.

Very few exceptions.

I'd only change for injury this week - which means 206 and possibly McLean for Hammer and Ellard.

Oh, and to whoever said that Bower was putting pressure on for a place in the 22 -- not the way he played against the VFL Cats he isn't. He'll come good, but at the moment he's way out of touch.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:31 pm 
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Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:56 pm 
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I don't think Waite is an automatic selection and neither is Laidler. Once a player has missed three or more games then IMO he should have to earn his place via the Ants.

Very few exceptions.

I'd only change for injury this week - which means 206 and possibly McLean for Hammer and Ellard.

Oh, and to whoever said that Bower was putting pressure on for a place in the 22 -- not the way he played against the VFL Cats he isn't. He'll come good, but at the moment he's way out of touch.



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:06 pm 
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..Waite has only missed 2? weeks, so match fitness/touch won't be an issue.. ..doubt regarding his Hammy would be the deciding factor [this week].. ..i wouldn't change Zac, we need a tight checking BP and he's currently that player since it seems the MC have another role/position in mind for Army these days.. ..obvious forced change is Knockers in, Hammer out.. ..question over how Ellard pulls up but may need a week's rest.. ..question then becomes do we swap him 'like for like'?, or go another player type altogether..

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:25 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I've been a big critic of Thornton in the past, but I'm the first to say he hasn't put a foot wrong so far this year. Still the occasional hint of poor body language, but on the whole he's been solid and played to team rules. That he can pinch hit forward makes him a valuable member of the 22, even with Laidler and Bower on the cusp. Perhaps the chance of finally being a part of some success has given him a new lease on life.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:25 pm 
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Why wouldn't Bryce get the dangerous LeCras?
I think ZT hangs onto ball judge a smidgen too long, still they might want to get games into him but really if Laidler is fit you'd reckon he comes in instantly
Similarly Waite comes in for Hendo but again they'd want to get games into the latter
Pies largely beat WestToast bec the Toast are too tall and thus struggle against the press
We hopefully will do the same, as Ratten says run vs height


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:53 pm 
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Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:26 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.



I also love the idea of Waiter at CHB he was unreeal back there all austrailian IMO. That way we leave Hendo at CHF where he belongs. And then if we need a change up we can either switch them or move them how we like on the day.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:40 pm 
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Tblues wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.



I also love the idea of Waiter at CHB he was unreeal back there all austrailian IMO. That way we leave Hendo at CHF where he belongs. And then if we need a change up we can either switch them or move them how we like on the day.


Waite could run off both Cloke and Dawes.

Just gotta convince the MC, he's been doing very well up front.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:40 pm 
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Tblues wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.



I also love the idea of Waiter at CHB he was unreeal back there all austrailian IMO. That way we leave Hendo at CHF where he belongs. And then if we need a change up we can either switch them or move them how we like on the day.


Waite could run off both Cloke and Dawes.

Just gotta convince the MC, he's been doing very well up front.

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Tblues wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.



I also love the idea of Waiter at CHB he was unreeal back there all austrailian IMO. That way we leave Hendo at CHF where he belongs. And then if we need a change up we can either switch them or move them how we like on the day.


Waite could run off both Cloke and Dawes.

Just gotta convince the MC, he's been doing very well up front.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:00 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.
Good post Molly.


On Waite, i`m convinced he must play CHB when you think about opposition CHF`s-Cloke, Brown, Riewoldt, Petrie, Pav and Kennedy. He`s the best suited to match these players. He was playing his best footy there before the knee injury and to me plays best when given an assignment. I think Thornton is having a good year but if it came down to Cloke v Waite or Cloke v Thornton, i know what i`d prefer.


Isnt that robbing peter to pay paul? Surely we stick with the system, our team defense and our ability to put so much heat on the ball that it doesnt come into our defense with much fluency. Thats not saying i dont wish Tbird was 3kg's heavier and 4cm taller but i reckon so far this season we have only been worried by big guys once and that was against the crows and really that was our own fault kicking a million points. In the end our extra run got them anyway.

Waite is a better more reliable forward at this stage. If anything Henda takes t birds role if he is good enough.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:15 pm 
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club29 wrote:

Isnt that robbing peter to pay paul? Surely we stick with the system, our team defense and our ability to put so much heat on the ball that it doesnt come into our defense with much fluency. Thats not saying i dont wish Tbird was 3kg's heavier and 4cm taller but i reckon so far this season we have only been worried by big guys once and that was against the crows and really that was our own fault kicking a million points. In the end our extra run got them anyway.

Waite is a better more reliable forward at this stage. If anything Henda takes t birds role if he is good enough.
Nah, just making the hard call on replacing Tbird with Waite.
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Assuming they come up, it's got to be:

Out: Ellard, Hampson (inj), Tuohy
In: Waite, Warnock, Laidler

West Coast have a taller forward line, and I think Zach, while he has been good with the ball in hand, has been so/so defensively. It is a very good defensive unit at the moment, and he is the weakest link coming out of there.

Ellard did very little last week other than snag his two goals, which is disappointing considering how much time he spent in the middle, and with the injection of Houlihan into the side last week we can try a few different strategies using Garlett, Scotland and Yarran to help supplement the midfield a lot more alongside him.

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Molly wrote:
Gee some of the TC match committee have itchy fingers!

We'll miss Hammer's aggression in my opinion. I worry Warnock is too 'nice'. Regardless, we obviously bring him in for Hammer.

I'd be reluctant for other changes. Hendo and Tuohy fill very important roles and we need to give them an extended run. I'm almost gobsmacked at the calls to drop Hendo. Prior to the season I thought that structurally he was our most important player. I now think Jamo is, but I have Hendo next in line. He allows us to structure differently than we otherwise would. He is absolutely vital to this team.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:30 pm 
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Assuming they come up, it's got to be:

Out: Ellard, Hampson (inj), Tuohy
In: Waite, Warnock, Laidler

West Coast have a taller forward line, and I think Zach, while he has been good with the ball in hand, has been so/so defensively. It is a very good defensive unit at the moment, and he is the weakest link coming out of there.

Ellard did very little last week other than snag his two goals, which is disappointing considering how much time he spent in the middle, and with the injection of Houlihan into the side last week we can try a few different strategies using Garlett, Scotland and Yarran to help supplement the midfield a lot more alongside him.



Waite will not be back hammys are 3 weeks
Laidler will have a run in the ants first

and Touhy - played on Mcgrath and keep him quiet and was on Mcglin for 3 quarters and he hardly got a touch so he will not be an out

Warnock will be in that is a given

If Ellard doesnt come up they may go for Brocky

There is also a rumour that Duigan will miss if that is true - Bower will come in

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