They both have an up and under kick, Carrots tries to correct for this but with an awkward ball drop he has the odd shank. AJ can find plenty of the ball when released, could probably do a job inside, but seems to relish the 1-on-1 contest a bit more, although he can be found out when he's first man to the ball, a bit like Carrots.

And they're both poor overhead.

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Carrots is actually quite good overhead for his size, got a clean pair of hands. Look back a few years where he played back and occasionly forward. Incomparably better than AJ, who along with Armfield, are by far the two worst aerial players in our team.

Look back a little less and you'll remember Carrots getting torn a new one in the back line. I used to back him in that role, but either he lost his touch or he got found out.

Carrots is actually pretty poor overhead for his size (188 cms). Compare him to Russell, Gibbs, Judd, Robinson, Simpson, Walker, Murphy, Lucas, Ellard, McLean, Collins, Houlihan, etc. One of our worst, and IMO Armfield looks to have moved past him in that respect. Armfield will surprise you with the improvement in his weaknesses this season.

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29 different attributes,
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20 ways to see the world,
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Bower is not up to it ... Don't believe he should be in the top 22.

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Don't take this as an attack on your opinion, but can you provide more info behind your logic and an alternative player?

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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Curnow is this season's nominated rookie and would have to be pretty close to senior selection in rnd 1 given that Ellard is suspended and McLean hasn't had that much footy.

What...........

no JUDD..........?


kindest regards tommi

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Loved the way Curnow was prepared to work when not in possession last Saturday. Prepared to do the team thing.

Yep I think we can just about pencil in Curnow for Rd 1.

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There was one bit late in the game where be broke a tackle beautifully, that was good to see
he is a hard nut as is Ellard and as is Robbo and Brock Mclean also
Hardness in midfield and depth in defense (tall and medioum height) seems to have been the list management priority but hey Paul Roos is right we have done poorly with list management

Quick question though, is Curnow in for Ellard or is he competing against Carrazzo who was very rusty against Geelong ?

If your talking inside mid, I wouldn't class Carrotts as an inside mid, he plays a lot as an outside receiver FMPOV.

I think with Ellard missing has allowed for Ed's elevation as well as Brocks fitness issues.

First game back for Carrazzo so you'd expect that, but I think he'll be teetering on the edge for round 1 if they play him in the VFL this week and he racks up possessions.

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Good luck Ed! I hope you make the most of your chance.

He sure is physically ready for AFL. I haven't see enough of him to really know what he can do but reading some of the comments of his game against Geelong he's sounding promising.

he's in the old dream team now. nice and cheap and will surley go up in value if he plays the first few.

I wonder how close Twomey would be to the second nominated rookie spot? he's sounds very handy also.

Really loving our drafting and rookie selections this year already.

mature age rookies are changing the game for the better. i don't normally give the AFL a thumbs up but here we go

Well Done to Ed..

Really big in the upper body, looks to have worked hard since getting over here.

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Ditto

I don't care what they look like, I do care about the results they produce.
Bower gets the results imo.
I got over the perception that he was like a rabbit in headlights a long time ago; I've got use to his style.

In fact I don't know anyone on our list and many others on opposing lists where players his height can break lines and take the opposition on and get away with it like he does; that's reality.

I'll go as far as saying I prefer Bower as a HB than I do Gibbs because of his speed and ability to run and break lines.

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thanks pj.....for what it's worth people...

If thornton plays at full back for jamison it's a sign his career is on the wayne. for a back i think the game has pased him by. if he can remake as a forwad then good luck to him. love all the fellas who have been through the dark days - and feel for them if their role in the team diminishes.

My team assuming: no Warnock, Houlihan (on edge, but prefer him there), Jamison; and henderson and carrazzo play.

B: Yarran, Bower, Laidler
HB: Duigan, Watson, Russell
C: Simpson, Gibbs, Armfield
HF: Carrazzo, Waite, Walker
FF: Garlett, Henderson, Betts

R: Warnock, Judd, Murphy

IC: McLean, Hampson, Lucas

Sub: Scotland

Will change a few more times, but explanations below: excuse my prolixity.

Backline:
Bower and Watson will change so bower faces riewoldt; and watson will take vickery - still young, perfect for a new watson to get his chance

Yarran in back pocket as he reads the ball beautifully off packs and the fb will be as much as possible, punching away. Laidler, have heard good

C
Apparently they want to move Armfield up the ground and he would bring great aggression and run to the wing. Still up in air on disposal, but he creates the pressure

HF
Carrazzo - as a defensive forward; and take all the opportunities he can - high regard. Waite...has to be there. Rock of the forward line on his day. Needs more days. Walker all the sounds coming out of the club are that this fella knows he's on his last chance and is loving the opportunty. Strong performances up forward and with some accuracy could be a wonder as a third tall with a good mark and speed. Let's face it if he doesn't have a good year his pay next year somewhere else will drop away. pride as motivation .

FF: They pick themselves if fit - just a matter of how the forward 6 are structure. Wld love to have garlett at HFF (maybe carrazzo to FP) - but with betts and garlett crumbing off the big fellas and taking their own possessions. I am very hopeful of out forward line.

Sub: Scotland can play a number of roles and if a tall goes down I don't think we are short on them - or the capacity to play tall. Realistically the sub is, without injury, going to come on at some stage and get a decent run to provide run and energy- sort of what we've needed in some final quarters of late. Scotland can do that and O'Hailpin still has a bit to improve and isn't as consistent.

I'm excited to see some pace back in the lineup. We've got a good number who can rotate through the centre and with judd going up forward a bit more and resting we're getting more flexibility across the ground

A very hopeful hello from hobart

Unless he is really injured (not cramped, but injured), then I would be shocked if Russell isn't playing round 1. I reckon Ratts will find a place for Carrots as well.

Nice read tasbenny86

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Something like this based on injury/suspension and preseason form. Thornton could get a gig if either Henderson isnt right(match fit) or Watson isnt deemed ready. Could also swap with Duigan as sub.

B Armfield Bower Laidler
HB Yarran Thornton/Watson Russell
C Simpson Gibbs Lucas
HF Walker Henderson/Thornton Garlett
F Betts Waite Carrazzo
R Warnock Judd Murphy
I/C Curnow Scotland Hampson
Sub Duigan(can play tall or small) also can push one of several defenders forward if needed and forwards to mid if needed to slot him into the backline.

Robinson and Collins could also be slotted in....for who.......this is getting hard

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I see Richmond have upgraded Miller from rookie.

Surely this means they intend to play him in Round 1.

That puts Vickery (about 200cm), Reiwoldt (195) and Miller (194?) up there. I see a plan. They believe we lack key backs (and I tend to agree especially without Jamo).

How are we going to defend this trio?

I hate it when a (Richmond) plan comes together.

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