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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:18 pm 
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Swans belt Blues by 39 points at Etihad Stadium

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... 5893554231

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Of more impact was Ratten's point that the Blues - and himself - were unworthy of criticism, given they remained at 8-8 and in contention.

The vultures might be circling Matthew Knights, but Ratten is still deserving of breathing space.

"You would think we are in the bottom four, not (equal on) wins and losses. That's the thing I scratch my head about, and I still smile about it, but I think our group is growing," he said.

"Yes, we are not where we want to be, but when we are on our game, we can play some good footy. It's all in our hands, we control our destiny and that will be the challenge in the last six weeks."

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:18 pm 
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
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Problem still goes back to the Fev centric forward line - and no hard at it inside mids - Surely Hadley can get a game ahead of this soft rubbish

We would have been better off if Santy and his littles Helpers had never worked - It would have meant we would have looked at the forward structure sooner - The midfielders delivery is terrible because no one is presenting to the right places they look forward and there is nothing so they prop hesitate and bang they are straight under pressure - the rest of the midfield is running forward to lend support and before they know it they are chasing butt. And as much as you love Yarren - Garlett - Betts when they are on -at the moment it is like having 3 Neon Leons up there - One is bad enough - 3 is asking for trouble they are to hot and cold and their good is brilliant their bad is terrible .

Time to bring back Brocky or Ellard and Hads - Shift one of the amigos to the bullants - and get Murph out of the middle and up forward where he is most dangerous - and some where find a smart forward until Hendo gets a couple of years older


Some merit in starting Murphy up forward and changing things up and running amore traditional forwward line....Santy and hsi three helpers is a good plan B bit not a plan A.

Hadley vs the Swans would have been a good in......the Swans are average IMHo but we all know they attack the footy and do well in pack contests with Bolton, Kirk, Jack, McGlynn etc....if there was one game you would play Hadley it would be vs the Swans....


We shouldn't have to bring in a specialist hard man. Our bunch of gutless onballers shouldn't play like that, plain and simple.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:19 pm 
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Maybe I could just cut and paste most of the post game thread on Bomber Blitz :mad:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:23 pm 
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Why can't someone play us into form for once :mad:


We couldn't play our self into form in an intra club match. It will be a nil all draw :donk: :donk:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:25 pm 
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Call me fickle... Call me what you want, but I will not attend another game this year until the team give me reason to believe that they actually give a sh*t... The last 5 weeks have been an absolute disgrace to this Club....


I'm hearing you Dominator_7! I left at halftime in disgust today and I will not be attending anymore games for the remainder of the season ... who would want to go watch a bunch of misfits running around like headless chooks chasing tail.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:45 pm 
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been doing it for the last 8 years, why be put off now? Of are you a 'good times' only supporter?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:46 pm 
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The game plan that has been worked on for three years has failed - players dont trust the coach.


In the first 10 weeks we were doing fine with the game plan. We were exciting and the talk of the town.


Hoo-blomin'-ray ... finally some perspective.

I don't get to go to many games but was fortunate enough to be there today, so here is my 2 cents worth ...

Don't get over-excited about structure, game plans, coaches whatever people. When you're consistently drilling the ball down the throat of the opposition defense no stategy is going to work. For whatever reason the players are down on confidence at the moment and they are all making a lot of silly mistakes. I'm not just talking about the blokes who are just making the 22 either. If Gibbs, for example, kicked at draft camp like he did today he wouldn't have been a top ten pick let alone a #1. People lose form. Confidence is a tricky commodity, but it will return and this group of players will start claiming some big scalps once again.

My notables today were:

1) Waite. Very hard and physical, (fairly today). He's a valuable addition to our forward line. He kept trying all day too despite
some dispiriting delivery.
2) Hampsons last quarter. Maybe ... just maybe we might have something special. We should know by ~ 2012
3) A sad one and right in front of us. Lucas. The kid found the courage to try and break the lines and was through too ... :cry:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:12 pm 
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^ Really felt for Kane...how disappointing for him to do his hammy (the same one?) again. He is the kind of player we need to get the match experience into and I assume he will be out for the rest of the season? He missed a good few weeks with the last one.

How do we get the confidence back though? I had hoped the win against Brisbane would help build it back up (scrappy and against a crap side, but did come from behind), but it doesn't seem to have made much difference.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:20 pm 
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What was going on with the forward line structure? ... when its being blocked up like that you need to take your defender wide ... then lead back into the middlle. We don't seem to have any idea when it comes to leading. SO FRUSTRATING. Overall tho ... I am inclined to think we just don't have enough talent ... thats it in a nutshell. Its gunna take another few years ... sorry guys ... so depressing!



I just hope Collingwood does not win this year.

Go Bulldogs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:22 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
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Just got home.

!@#$%& disgrace

The game was over after 10 minutes into the 1st qtr.

!@#$%& if i know what's wrong with them

Cant !@#$%& kick- I have been saying it for years



And we continue to draft and trade for players that can't kick! :banghead:


Lol have you just noticed :grin: :grin:

But ppl are calling for Davies to be given a game next week.....we used our 2nd ND pick on him.....ppl at Carlton say he has good penetration with his kicking....coz they are too scared to talk about his accuracy.

Don't believe any stories that there weren't better kicks still up for grabs in the draft.

But when you are briefed to draft "toughnuts" you pass on a player with silky footskills like Roberton for a physically mature Davies.

One is already contributing at senior level while we still trying to teach our guy how to hit a target.

Unfortunately the brief to the recruitment seems to change markedly each year, and unfortunately good footskills doesn't seem to be a constant requirement to get drafted.

The recruiters need to work to 3-5 year plan, not a "this is what we want this year" from the footy dept.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:34 pm 
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^ Really felt for Kane...how disappointing for him to do his hammy (the same one?) again. He is the kind of player we need to get the match experience into and I assume he will be out for the rest of the season? He missed a good few weeks with the last one.

How do we get the confidence back though? I had hoped the win against Brisbane would help build it back up (scrappy and against a crap side, but did come from behind), but it doesn't seem to have made much difference.


I'd be a rich man if I knew. I don't think anyone does really. I don't know if you're old enough to remember
Greg Chappell? One of Australia's best ever batsman, he got into a form slump and just could not score a run
for ages. I mention a cricketer because it's easier to measure their performance - it all comes down to a number
in the end. Football is a bit more abstract, but I wouldn't believe for a minute that they don't suffer the same
sort of thing - and we've got a few in the doldrums at the moment, (Jamison, Joseph and Gibbs especially leap
to mind). Do you stick with them hoping the next game will be one in which they turn it around or do you send them back to twos to let them experience some success? Hard to know. A few lucky breaks can help - fingers
crossed we get them against WC.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:34 pm 
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Well I thought we might get up.

I thought that until the very first kick of the game when Murphy kicked it to an unmarked Swans defender.
Our rucks won hitouts but they went to Swans players or to a Carlton player with a Swans player sweating on him.

We were subsequently murdered in the stoppages and that was that. Swans players running through packs as though we were witches hats.

Murphy has lost confidence. At one stage he went to handball when about 30 metres out instead of straightening up and having a ping. His kicking today was just awful.

What happened to leading AT the player with the footy? We lead to the pockets. The only time we went through the centre with pace we got a goal.

Play Warnock and Jacobs in the ruck and play Hampson in the square and tell him not to go more than 20 metres from goal. That would keep any defence honest.

Judd shouldn't have to play the way he does. He will end up injured and an arthritic hack before his contract runs out. FFS look after him and learn from him.

Carazzo has just had the two worst games of footy I have seen from him ever. Walker is a lost soul. "I am in the side for my pace," he said recently. WELL USE IT, ANDREW!

It's only a game. It's only a game...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Just on the can't kick (or drafting players that can't kick) theme ....

Ballup to start the game. Free to Murphy in the centre. Short pass straight to Swans player. No focus, no purpose, no passion, no f@@@@@ idea.

Worst thing thing for us is that Essendon* lost. Focus on Knights and his team more so than us.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:38 pm 
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Very disappointing last 2 months, since the Roos game we have never been able to peg back any deficit. Sadly when we got 3 goals down in the 1st, I knew we had lost the game. I didnt expect any sort of momentum swing and whilst Ratts believes we "won" the 2nd half, we were never in with a chance.

The players have no belief and when they start to point the finger and blame team-mates you know they are playing as individuals!!! Sad to say it but we are right back where we were after the 14 goal thrashing by the lions a few years ago........disinterested, disheartened and disshelvelled.

Those who think that this should be ridden out to the end of the year, tell me what benefits will that provide? I dont want a hasty over-reaction but I want some kind of action taken, seeing Judd absolutely smashed for weeks on end without so much as team mate taking matters into their own hands is crushing!!

Our current ladder position does not justify the 6 weeks of utter crap we have dished up and if ratts believes it does, then he should be told by those in authority he's deluded. We have a very limited injury list and the some of the finest fitness staff in the bus, we've employed leading teams and the development academy under Harris, a new state of the art training facility.......so how can the players be underperforming by such a dramatic margin?????

There must be someone at the club who can see clearly the reasons for such poor performnces and make efforts to rectify them!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:17 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
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We need to provide Ratts with a new list to work with...these players are clearly not up to it....


Do you really have to persist with this puerile sarcasm?

We all get it mate, you don't rate Ratten as a coach. You believe that it is not our list that is the problem, but the coach and his coaching staff. A quick skim of this site will reveal that many on here clearly agree with you.

It was amusing the first time; it's no longer amusing. You are just boring now mate.


Oooooh Mr serious...relax Max trying to lighten up the mood.... :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:25 pm 
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I would love to know the amount of times we kicked it straight to a Swans player.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:54 pm 
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i think setting ourselves up for next season is the only logical thing to do :(
blood our youngsters
make our players believe if they arent up to it they are trade bait
id prefer too loose with a clear game plan in style and youngsters getting game time
than see our core groupwe have recruited over the last 6 years turn up like that again

on a positive note
i think the Hammer will be a star
building in confidence every week

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:58 pm 
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lose.
lose.
lose.

not loose.

it's annoying me more than your love of starting threads.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:20 am 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Just got home.

!@#$%& disgrace

The game was over after 10 minutes into the 1st qtr.

!@#$%& if i know what's wrong with them

Cant !@#$%& kick- I have been saying it for years



And we continue to draft and trade for players that can't kick! :banghead:


Lol have you just noticed :grin: :grin:

But ppl are calling for Davies to be given a game next week.....we used our 2nd ND pick on him.....ppl at Carlton say he has good penetration with his kicking....coz they are too scared to talk about his accuracy.

Don't believe any stories that there weren't better kicks still up for grabs in the draft.

But when you are briefed to draft "toughnuts" you pass on a player with silky footskills like Roberton for a physically mature Davies.

One is already contributing at senior level while we still trying to teach our guy how to hit a target.

Unfortunately the brief to the recruitment seems to change markedly each year, and unfortunately good footskills doesn't seem to be a constant requirement to get drafted.

The recruiters need to work to 3-5 year plan, not a "this is what we want this year" from the footy dept.


Great post! :clap:

We are very reactive... after last year's GF the MC decided we needed more physical types like Rooke, Mclean etc as if putting your body and having silky skills are mutually exclusive! (Rooke can actually kick) :hitcomputer:

I was keen on Roberton primarily because of his skills and where he would be drafted. He put his body on the line every time it was required against the Demons tonite!! In fact, his skills on his non preferred are better than half of our list on their preferred!!

BTW Fyfe is pretty hard at it and skilful at the same time... pretty impressive considering he's a stick! :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:24 am 
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sorry just back from the game half pissed absolutely gutted... why didn't we stick a big bloke up forward and just bomb it in after we our lack of skills around the half forward line were exposed in the first quarter.... why do we ball watch in the back half - why is Jamison always a metre behind his opponent - how does Henderson get a game - why do supporters bag Gibbs / Murphy when there is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing to kick to. this is irrelevent but Fevola at FF today and we win.


I agree with your last point!!!

















It IS irrelevant.

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