Coulda, Shoulda but didn't. Obviously we were not good enough

And even if those results went our way Ratten has made some poor decisions that go against him

How much have we improved?

Are our kids coming along at a rate as other clubs?

What's our game plan?

What a heap of crap. Heard this type of over reaction throughout the last 20 years by Stkilda and Richmond supporters. Sad to see that we are just as stupid.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Richmond gave Frawley 5 years and then Wallace 5.. thats ten years.. and a complete generation of football.... they have to rebuild now...

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Let me get this straight. We are saying that the negative Saints and Richmond supporters who have been critical for the last 20 years were overreactive and stupid. MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERREACTIVE AND STUPID IF IN THAT TIME THEY'D TASTED JUST A LITTLE SUCCESS. By my limited knowledge of the game, I don't think either of those sides have won a flag in 20 years. Is it just possible that those negative pessimists saw something the rose coloured elephant stampers didn't??????
Give me a flowering break
We haven't played finals in 8 years, haven't won a flag in 14 and are a Freo loss away this year from probably not playing finals......all this with 3 #1 drafts + Judd and a relatively easy draw. The writing was on the wall after round 3. It was then etched and sealed with the Freo and Adel games. 2010 or bust Ratts

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I for one am willing to let Ratts find his feet. He has many thoughts and strategies swirling in his head. Allow him the opportunity to gather them and put them into play. He is young, inexperienced and has proven that he will learn from his mistakes. That 's his great strength.

His weakness, may well be his inability to be tough with his convictions. Does he have the confidence to walk up to players who are not working hard enough or not carrying out their instructions and give them an ear full.

He does however, think a little too much and that I believe was evident on Friday's game. Now for the second time this season, it was apparent that he had set up to negate, rather than press for assertance. As I have mentioned in another post, stats can make a lier of any one. Read to much into them, and you could be basing your decisions on air!!
To draw comparisons between different coaches is not productive, we have a coach he understands how hard work will give you results, he just needs that time to develop the hard edge, that coaches like Malthouse, Matthews, Williams etc have taken ten plus years to develop.

Go Blues!!

Andrew Welshe from the Bombers say that there focus during the week is on what they need to do and not what the opposition do. They are going to play how they want and teams have to deal with them

We are we being coached to react rather than teams react to us. Why aren't we playing how we wanna play and teams worry about our style of play

This just proves how reactive and negative Ratten is and just doesn't have any idea when it comes to tactics.

Ratten is a waste of space. Cut him lose now and get someone who is confident within there ability cause he's not and we are playing like that

Greg Miller was recruiting players

The Greg Miller appt was a stupid appt.
It reeked of bringing in a name and not looking for the best man for the job.

You can be very VFL or you can become a prodessional AFL outfit that makes the right choices...

Good point...

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I know

Its becoming very clear that ....

Supporters are 'snip' no matter which club they barrack for.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Hey Rob just a quick question o you.

Where you happy with the effort and NEGATIVE tactics that Ratts seems to think is best for this team???

I'm still stuffed as to why WE had such a NEGATIVE and DEFENSIVE game plan when we have the guns that THEY should be worried about.
The problem is that Ratts seems to worry TOO much about the opposition and not play to our strengths....ie: Houla playing a defensive role...why???? He should be allowed to deliver and be around the feet of fev...Carrots tagging Stanton??? Fisher plaing a defensive role on flecther??? Grigg on Winderlich????. No probs with AJ on Lovett coz that's there most important running player. Yet all they do is worry about Judd and voala they smash us because they have more blokes offensively ready to create instead of negate!!!!!!!

Also why the hell does our best small forward and second highest goal kicker start every game on the bloody bench????????

Synbad ?? What makes you an expert on anything football, give me or other tc'ers a resume on your achievements or experience in this form of the game and maybe your expertise and contacts on how you know what goes on in the day to day running of our club , guess what, you know 'snip' about what is going on at the club and what it takes to run our club or what it takes to run any club, so stop your vitriol and please, other tcers dont suck up to people that know nothing exept how good their vocab is on the keyboard and the sound of their own
keyboard clicking away. And SYNBAD just before you start with your 'snip' , give us an answer on your achievements and experiences in AFL coaching and adnin???

Dane Swan does. Does it matter

I was listening to Bucks and Gerard discuss clusters and zoning and how the best teams make space for their forwards and are methodical whenever they deliver the ball into their forward 50..
I then hear Ratts just quote stat after stat from Champion Data in response to any questions on tactics from the media- I truly feel that he would have been out of his depth joining in any meaningful discussion on tactics/ trends/ zoning/ clustering with those two.. He might have some nice ideas on how he wants the team to play, but he is all at sea when teams come into games with a defined game plan against us.
This is a real worry, and part of the reason why we fail against the teams that are best drilled (with exceptions of course)

...and IF Collingwood had won those flags that got away would we ever talk about the Colliwobbles??? If may seem like a small insignificant word to you but it actually is the basis upon which your history is created.

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Look it comes to this
Fevola after a good few weeks did some selfish acts that were totally inexcusable.
Not chasing . Kneeing a teammate in the back when he could have stopped .Arguing with teammates. He has to be dropped for discipline reasons. Pure and simple.

Stevens did not put a contest on the Lloyd lead and mark in the third quarter. Totally inexcusable. Sore neck or not.

Houlihan His effort on Skipworth in the goal square in the third was comical

Lets not forget 2 things

these 3 guys are the most experienced players at the club
people that only think of themselves in a team environment can have a huge negative effect on the group

If Ratten doesnt drop these 3 guys he shows no leadership no balls and no brains as to where this club is heading.

Before game plans are discussed this must be done
If it isnt then "we are Carlton @#$%&! the rest" is so apt
We have our own heads so far up our own arse it aint funny

POST OF THE WEEK CHAMP

I wouldnt hold my breath though waiting for the answer

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Go BLues

And we have that guru of recruiting, Wayne Hughes. Hardly any better.

I'm beginning to see a real comparison..

Don't know if it is. We're all in pretty much the same position, in the grandstand or in front of the telly, cheering when we're winning and trying to find answers when we're losing. I doubt most of us know what's going on inside our club, or have experience at working inside an AFL club, but we all shared the experience of watching a an anxious/disorganised/lazy/insert your own adjective carlton on friday night. We didn't play as a team on friday, it sucked, and we're all simply posting theories as to why. If someone inside the club knows the cause and wants to enlighten us then I assume we're all ears, but until then we'll go on guessing with the only information we have; watching our team play.

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STURDYISM!!