I was sitting right under the coaches box...and the spray was nowhere near as bad as described. Carlos took in every word and agreed... then later when down at full forward Teague was yelling at others to kick it quickly to Setanta. The team was struggling at this time and it was not able to execute.

Incidents taken out of context seem to have stronger value than they really need.

if we had won this game we would have been 3rd on the ladder , we lost and are 7th and only percentage keeps us from being 14th

surely that has to fire up the boys for this weeks game?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I'll be taking my kids to their first live game of the year.

Hopefully it will be the first time of many that they get to see Carlton smash the pies.

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Having just watched the second half of the game, some observations:

Just where does the Good Fev go? There are so many unknowns with this guy - one minute seems to be unable to walk then flies from two back to mark. All the other clubs know what we have and must laugh when they see the guy who turned up on Saturday.

We have no forward line to speak of. Many posters have mentioned a lack of structure but until we have players who can impose on the contest (other than Good Fev) then we are in trouble. Big Cam is not the answer, he seems to have lost what he had in the first two games. The first inclination for players across halfback and the middle is to go wide immediately. The only player keen to go down the middle is our captain. When we did it a couple of times in the 3rd quarter we kicked points from relatively easy shots. Poor execution.

Our players go to ground far too easily with Wiggo and Russell prime offenders, no wonder we get killed through the middle when we are a man down.

The players seem to have lost confidence in their ability, far too hesitant. Maybe they have no confidence in each other?

Do we have any real leg speed to break the lines?

Where to from here?

The selfishness of some experienced players must be eradicated. I don't need to mention names. Soft as butter!

Persevere with the next level down from the #1's - Hammo, Austin (nice skills), Yarran, Army (just wish he had kicked that goal in the 3rd!), Joseph.

Get some spark and passion back - Garlett, Robbo, Setanta.

Get well soon Andy Walker and 206 - we need you!

Go Blues!

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Thanks for clearing that up Mrs C.

jimmae and I were having a discussion on this today...all based on ill founded information from ill founded informants. What a waste of time.

Who was that poster? Bad boy.

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Chin up Taff, things aren't too bad, just a tweak here and there and this will be an awesome unit.

By the time you get into town the Blues should really be rolling.

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I'll hold you to that!

Could be a bit depressing but with kids playing there is always upside. Just more than a little disenchanted with the apparent lack of on field leadership.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

I'm not concerned with the severity, I'm concerned with the bloke who still thinks he knows better in what will always be a foreign game for him.

Maybe it's not some in-your-face problem like the old days, but I think he will break team rules when he sees fit, and he doesn't have the savy for that. Blokes completely ignore him as an option in the forward line for periods because he runs to the wrong areas and sticks his hand up for the ball.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
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Reading in The Aged about Army today and it mentions that he was minding Hayden on Saturday.

So who was JR minding then?

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Byron Schammer to challenge ban

BYRON Schammer will challenge a one-match suspension for striking at the Tribunal on Tuesday night.

The Dockers' midfielder was charged with a level two striking offence against Carlton's Marc Murphy in Saturday's clash on the Gold Coast.

Because he had 70.31 demerit points carried over from a previous offence earlier this year, Schammer faced a one-match ban even if he took the early guilty plea.

I think as Mrs Caz said, we are reading too much into this. I think also that there will be footballers who think they know best and a skill of coaches is to communicate effectively with all those different personalities.

As to Setanta running to the wrong places and being ignored. Yes he doesn't read the game well or intuitively but in the Hawks game he was twice ignored when 30 metres clear , 30 metres out dead in front. Instead the option was to kick it long and badly to a contest on the boundary (which we lost) so there are many more players than Setanta who make mistakes and who the coaches need to ensure understand and carry out instructions.

Being a good option isn't always about being free in space, they need to be able to see you and kick to you. Following a system up forward allows for this.

Standing in a hole and waving your arm is a stupid plan. You can't expect the blokes with the ball to always be thinking exactly what you're thinking at the spur of the moment. You practice techniques and patterns prior so that the guy leading and the guy kicking have a good chance of being on the same page.

I know if I was tackling a zone defence, the last thing I would do is kick it to a stationary bloke who is in the exact spot the zone is set up to cover as a priority, unless that bloke was Aaron Sandilands.

I'm not reading too much into anything, you have a bloke who is on a learning curve and believes he knows the answer. If he knows why he should be an option then maybe he should get out the tape and show the coaching staff. If he can't do that, then he needs to accept he's made a bad decision, go back to the tape and learn and learn and learn and learn and learn.

Pour all that enthusiasm into the tactical side of the game and Setanta could explode and play 3 or 4 years of good football. At the moment he's still too focussed on technique, and not team play or how the game unfolds and what he can do to contribute.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

So jimmae is that a learning problem or a teaching problem?

If I knew I wouldn't be posting here, I'd be calling the club.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I wonder if the club will go for pay back, and get Murphy to tell the investigators about how nauseas and confused he's been feeling.

He Beat it....

"Rafferty argued the video evidence showed Schammer's arm move across Murphy's chest and take with it the Carlton player's guernsey.

He argued that Schammer never punched Murphy in the stomach - as stated by umpire Stephen McBurney - and that the Blue had winced after the initial contact, thereby staging for a free kick. "

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 51,00.html

Watch out Murph - I think the time is coming where you have to be careful not to get yourself tagged as a serial stager....

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What an arsey goal by Solomon.

Bower was fantastic with his spoil and had it covered, but Thornton ran back with the flight and left Solomon as the only man down.

No talk...

Thornton was brave, but stupid.

A QC argues that Smurph staged for a free kick and you take that as being gospel?

Check the footage again as he definitely hit him in the abdominal region.

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I'm recording the game now to watch tonight, I'll find out once and for all.

Oh and nobody tell me the result please, sounds like it was a close game.

I know it looked like a shot on Saturday night, too....
I didn't mean I agreed with the verdict, just more that I think Murph is getting a bit of a reputation (warranted or not) and he needs to make sure he doesn't let that get out of hand.... I already think Umps won't pay high contact on him....

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