To be honest, this museum business is a little to do with "Keeping up with the Joneses". Hawthorn have one, Essendon* have one, Adelaide have one. So all of a sudden we need one.

Although a museum would be great to showcase our history to the younger fans who need a Carlton education.

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"GIBBS."

The above article is an interesting study.

The altitude simulator is a point of contrast to the way other clubs engage this experience - think of the annual pre season Colorado experience for Collingwood.

As altitude training losses its impact within a week or so at close to sea level, having the capacity to engage this new facility regularly within an overall training program that is designed for each player will have a benefit in their endurance. An investment that can make a difference. Thanks to Richard Pratt.

It shows how intent the CFC is about getting its players at their best physical condition, pushing them to get better and keeping them as fit as possible. They are becoming "elite" athletes given their training, resources and support.

A change in the players mind set may be the next step that is required. With more than 40 players who are able to play football at a high level , getting into the 1st 22 is going to be about doing all the right things and not too many wrong things. It will become clear who wants to get better and improve.

Remember that there will be a required minimum 3 de-listings from the 2010 playing group by early November. Incentive enough.

Spot on Captain Dan.

I hope every single square meter of the new facility is used to better the team and clubs performance than rather have a museum.

We are the museum. We're the ones who the hold all the great memories and triumphs to pass down to the next generation who will pass it on to the ones after them just like the generation before us.

GO THE BLUES!

That's pretty naive thinking IMO. Also - if you've read previous posts, I'm not advocating the new facility house the Carlton museum (government funding wouldn't allow that to happen)...I'm advocating the vast area underneath the Gardiner Stand that was last refurbished in 1981 become the Museum instead of being used as a part-time storage shed for Football Victoria. You should see the kids going through the new New York Yankees Museum. The sense of pride and belonging - not to mention a touch of inherited arrogance at seeing what has transpired before them and what will happen in the future.

How about we spend our money on the football department instead, that will win us a premiership not a museum that we've managed to live without for over 100 years.

I'm not convinced we need to use a lot of 'our' money. And I reckon what we're spending on the football department is probably about right now given our financial state and what has been spent over the last 3/4 years in this area. That will start to level off over the next few years.

apologies if this has been already been posted ...

an article i found on the new cfc air altitude facility:

http://www.pacetoday.com.au/Article/Car ... 91119.aspx

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ok, so went to the hawks nest today and checked out their 'museum'.

I went with the attitdue that although I think it would be nice to have one it isn't that important.

Firstly it is located about their (small) shop, you go up a rather narrow staircase and into a room (unamanned), one thing that was pleasing was that the staff in their shop were no better then what I have been used to at Carlton. Should be a rule that you only employ people that support your team. People like to talk footy or at least feel that people who work for the club are on the same wavelength. Having said that he did waive the $2 entry fee, probably cos the guy I was with had just wasted $100 on some merchandise.

Anyway, back to the museum, first thing that struck me was that the room was alot smaller then I expected, probably about 15-20 metres long and quite narrow. Second thing was the lack of security, now I am sure that you wouldn't want to steal from your club but the temptation must be there for some people that go through. I wasn't game to see if things were alarmed (highly doubt it) but we could easily have stuff an old towel or dressing gown from the seventies into a bag and got away with it (I didn't spot a camera but wasn't really looking).

The actual items were quite good though, lots of little items that brought back memories, I never realised they have changed their jumper so much either, ironically one of their first ones or one that was from a club that formed them looks like a bombers jumper. Had Kennedy's famous overcoat in a display case and you could press a button to hear his pre game speech from one of their grand finals.

Overall it made me wanting one for us, purely because it would be nice to be surrounded by so much navy blue items, I could see the guy I was with appreciated it. However I would be concerned about how to protect items, if you put them all behind glass you lose a bit of a feel for it but it could be worked out. I would like to think it could be opened and run by volunteers, would cut back the hours of operation but would give it a better feel then being told 'yeah head upstairs' and then being left alone.

My last comment is that I would also like a proper induction given to our players to our club, not sure what happens now but a sound and vision display to give them a real feel would be a start, make them respect what they are playing for, maybe then they won't get [REDACTED] up tatts like the one I saw on Joseph today, what was he thinking?????? (sorry old man rant for a second).

Photos were from my phone, excuse quality please:











One last, last thing, the statue overlooking the field of Kennedy is exceptional, above all else we should get a similar one of Jezzas mark.

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Txs for the pics.

Personally, I think a museum is a fantastic idea, but needs to be done well.

The Hawks one, looks a dated cash converters outlet !

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we are kidding ourselves not having a museum

of course we need one

it should also be incorporated into an activity centre for kids with interactive activities etc eg kick the ball into a screen and it shows you how far you kicked it etc etc - and judd pops up on screen and says well done etc etc - kinda like golf ball whacking simulations etc

kinda like the afl museum/activity place that ( that now no longer exists?? )

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

For those who weren't at the AGM, Swann was asked about a Museum.

His response was that people tend to go to these things once and thats it, so its not really sustainable. We will have a rolling display in the foyer of the new centre. So one week it might show our premiership captains and the next week our indigenous players. This is to keep interest up so people will come back each time a display interests them.

Doc, out of those 50 times you're likely to go to Visy Park this season, how many times would you visit a museum? Remember, you're going there 50 times more than most. I'd imagine most people when asked about it would say 'oh yeh, I saw the museum 4 years ago, no need to go back'.

He mentioned the money we've been pouring into the football department will level off and even reduce starting from this season so ou'd imagine the next step is to work on the debt and then perhaps we can start looking at things like a permanant and fully operational Museum.

It would be great, but there are higher priorities at the moment.

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I love the idea of a physical Blueseum.

The Kennedy speech kk mentioned is a perfect example of semi-interactive displays. To be able to walk up to a semi-open cabinet, and have a player talk to the person in front of the case, about a particular match (like the 99PF, from the point of view of Fraser Brown, or Justin Murphy) is exactly what we need to keep the oral history of Carlton going with younger generations.

I'd love to see rolling displays being hosted there, but ones with a community focus, such as the relationship Carlton has had over the years with the different waves of immigrants, and the way they have added to the history of the club, and added to the richness of the fabric of the area.

My own family's history with Carlton, both the Club and the area, makes me immensely proud to be continuing to be a part of the club, and I want my daughter to know that history, and so on.

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ok...50 might be a stretch...but if museum was there might even throw my hand in the ring as co-Curator . I don't want to sound arrogant, but Hawthorn's looks cluttered and dusty. In my vision for a Carlton Blueseum, it's state of the art. This is Carlton and I'm over doing things half-arsed - if it's going to be done - it'd have to be done properly or not at all and that includes the bronze statue of Jezza's 1970 GF mark which will appear long before a museum I understand.



No argument from me there...things like this take time, so it's always best to put it in front of administrators and board members years in advance of it actually happening. 99% of our supporters don't know anything about the Gardiner Stand. Thank heavens we have Heritage Victoria because the architects and bureaucrats who initially devised plans for the redevelopment had plans to bulldoze it. It has a wonderful space underneath it that should be utilized by the club better than it has been.

I respect that everyone has different reasons and passions for following Carlton. For me part of that is definitely the history. When a player is recruited to Carlton they are given a copy of 'The Blue Boys' (might be given 'Out of the Blue' as well these days) which in some instances might be thrown in a bookcase and forgotten about, but thankfully there are, and always have been, a small group of players at the club who are proud to be at Carlton in part because of what has transpired before them.

Don't want to sound arrogant either, but if we were to house a museum at Princes Park, surely it would have to be bigger than that. Essendon*'s one, as much as it pains me to say it, looks updated, plenty of room, etc. Hawthorn's one looks like it could be a little more spread out which would make it a bit less cluttered.

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"GIBBS."

I forget what they call that stuff they used to decorate underneath the guttering (the iron lacey design type of stuff)....But there's heaps of it on the Gardiner stand and that's what saved it in the end........

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Greg Swann should understand that a museum isn't a money making proposal. It's somewhere you can go to remember, reflect and immerse your kids into the proud history of the Carlton Football club. Whether I go there 1 time or 50 is irrelevant.
Our club too often expects our proud history to set standards for the players and dwells on our successes as some sort of inbred expectation yet fails to foster and preserve it.
A disappointing stance from the guardians of our club IMO.

Thank God the "Spirit of Carlton" group was formed by former players and staff to preserve and reunite some aspects of our history. Not to forget the hardworking people behind the Blueseum.

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Well said.

+1

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Swann is a paid employee of CFC, a gun for hire. He has a different perspective to the supportors especially the older ones including myself.

There have been so many highlights, more than any other team in the VFL/AFL. I have been going to Carlton games for 45 years the last 18 with my son. But not many are able to do this. There should be a proper and official CFC historical site.

But, it should not be at the expense of the football department. The money should come after whatever is required for the footy department has been allocated.

The bottom line is that the CFC is about winning premierships because that is what has made our history.

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That's not an unfair position to take. But if a museum was established which put on displays and histories of the wider community around the footy club, then you'd probably find that it would qualify for a chunk of state and/or federal funding for putting on cultural histories. That would then ease the pressure on the place from having to get funding entirely from the club and the club's revenue.

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The club needs a museum. Yes, the footy department funding must take priority, but a museum we can be proud of is a must.

We've endured some shit times in recent years and having our history on show would be a great way to ensure that anyone who sees it is in awe of the great things the club and its players have achieved.

A message for you Greg Swann:

Make it happen.

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