Ratts has coached against 2 out of these 3 coaches.
He has beaten both.
Too quick to judge.....i hope this thread is kept in the archives and roled out again in 15 months time.

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See right there is the mentality we need to get rid of.
Lets not compare naything to the Pagan years, lets compare everything we do to the Clarkson years at Hawthorn, or the Roos years ets.
Enough of this mentality that "things ar ebetter then they were under Pagan." No shit- we got rid of Pagan because he was the worst possible coach for our situation.
Lets set and abide by the highest of standards.. once again, Ratts will be judged at the end of this year by the board and everyone who matters, and as Ive said many times, we need to undergo ongoing critical appraisals of his coaching to be the best club in the country once again.

Fair point

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Good test this week for Ratts.
Malthouse won’t give Fev the space like he did last time.
We need more options then just bomb into Fev….we need to be smart rather then taking the easy option of just bombing it.
I reckon we will win or lose depending on how our forward line functions. At the very least we will break even with their midfield. They won’t have the capacity to go with Judd, Murphy, Stevens, Gibbs and Scotland.

Did you happen to notice the player that kicked 3 goals in the last quarter against Port Adelaide?

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Agree Rhys. We should win the midfield battle and quite easily.
Our defence has done enough to indicate it will at the very least break even. It's our forward line that needs to start to put things together now and that will depend on structure and ball movement into it.

We should win this.

ps. They have no match up for Fev either.

but if we do that Josh then lets compare them at the same stages.

Ratts first year v Clarkson's first year

not Ratts first year versus Clarkson's 3rd (or whatever).

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

But if we chase the equivalent of a Clarkson 3rd year in Rattens first year, we need to be able to crystal ball a bit dont we?

Sure did Agro. But I noticed that same player at one stage was in defence manning up on Westoff....strange move

I think in 2008 we have got by more on spirit than a well drilled game plan.

How long does it take for a young team to execute a new game plan?

I think the biggest issue we have is we go to Fevola all the time, because we don't have any other target. We desperately need a Kreuzer to step up as a forward, or if he is seen as a ruck then we need to recruit a forward. Don't be surprised if we go flat out for a goal kicker during trade week.

That said, there are teams that don't even have one gun forward, who get good results, so is it the coach that needs to be looked at?

the doggies have scored 60+ points more than any other team this year yet their leading goalkicker is 10th in the coleman and their 2nd leading goalkicker is 20th.

we need our mids to run harder, both forward and back. if we can get 6-7 goals a game out of juddy, murphy, gibbs, stevens, simpson (who are all very capable of kicking goals) added to 3-6 from fev, 1-2 each from fisher, fev and betts then that's about 17 a game just from them.

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Clarkson didnt have the list we have but he also didnt mind shooting his mouth off a bit prematurely in his first year.

People rave about Paul Roo's and justifiably too but he only got the gig in the first place because of passionate support.

Woosha learnt from us in the first place and to be honest how much of his success can now be attributed to luck. West Coast had an obvious problem to those in the know - now he is either stupid or turns a blind eye.

Like you said let Ratts be judged on his season - preferably two in my opinion given we allowed pagan to let the cancer spread,

For all those that call Ratten conservative, think about how much the side has changed since last year. A number of players have been given first games or a regular spot without being 'Denised' (i.e sitting on the pine) such as Bower, Grigg, Hampson, Kreuzer, Browne, Armfield, Russell.

That's 1/3rd of the side....

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I'm tipping he is going to spend a whole lot more time deep in our forward line in the back half of this season.

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The doggies also let quite a bit in the other way. They're a skilful side playing to their strengths. That's what I'd take away from their success.

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