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If Lance is to come back, he will have to do all his training, fruit eating and sleeping in a weightless sauna for the next 2 weeks.

If he does that, he may show some muscle definition.

But I guess for him to do that would require dedication and pain...I don't think he's got it in him.

It's over; he's been exposed BIG TIME in the Age.

Lance; you're busted...and you'ver only got yourself to blame. Oh yeah...and your coach for letting you get away with the lack of conditioning.

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Synners, you have been saying Lance is 'gone' for so long now, that the bottle of wine you put away to celebrate his leaving will be a very nice vintage by the time he goes. :-D

Personally I would rather see Lance retire than go to another club. At 28 he maybe considered to old by some.

Mark, why would you wish for Lance to retire and not go to another club???
Dont you want him to make an earning???

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"I said he will be finished by age 28 and we better trade him while we can"

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Just on his metabolism... I think I have the same issue. I can snort calories just by smelling a donut... :shock:

But, over the last 2 years I've made a conscious effort to get fit and lose the kilos. I figure I want to be around when my son is old enough to be drafted and gets to play CHF for Carlton... in our 25th premiership side :lol:

I've lost it slowly 20kg over 2 years... my point being it IS hard the weight came off very slowly, I started off doing weights, then a little bit of running, and refining my diet.. raising the bar every few months... until now where I'm doing 8-12km road runs and hill training 2-3 days a week and finally cracked the 100kg barrier a few weeks ago (for the first time in over 10 years).

Its very very hard for someone like Lance and I. The thing thats really irks me.... is that I have a day job with pretty long hours, I also have a business I run in my spare time.

Lance earns what? $300k a year to keep fit. I would love a job like his... and I guarantee you I would have got fit a lot fitter and sooner if I was earning this sort of money.. and had nothing else to do... for crying out loud... get some definition in your body... hire a personal trainer once or twice a week or see a dietitian. :( You are an professional athlete you need to keep raising the bar until you get where you need to go.

Regardless of whether he's playing well or not or injured or not he owes to himself and to his employer to do what it takes to be in peak physical form and to keep raising the bar until he gets there.....


He is finished!
But he still owes it his family.
He is going to balloon.....


Which is why I said he owes it to himself... he has had opportunity and still has an opportunity to be the best shape he will be in in his life. But, more importantly lessons learnt and discipline gained getting there...will set him up for his time after football..
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Synbad wrote:
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Synners, you have been saying Lance is 'gone' for so long now, that the bottle of wine you put away to celebrate his leaving will be a very nice vintage by the time he goes. :-D

Personally I would rather see Lance retire than go to another club. At 28 he maybe considered to old by some.

Mark, why would you wish for Lance to retire and not go to another club???
Dont you want him to make an earning???

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"I said he will be finished by age 28 and we better trade him while we can"


To be honest, I don't like seeing ex Carlton players in antoher clubs colours. I do not wish them ill, its just a little disconcerting. Anyways Lance has done quite well out of footy so retirement is a real option. But if he went to antoher club I would wish him well, it would feel 'icky' Is that bottle a red or a white? Having trouble remembering, it was a while ago.

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Synners, you have been saying Lance is 'gone' for so long now, that the bottle of wine you put away to celebrate his leaving will be a very nice vintage by the time he goes. :-D

Personally I would rather see Lance retire than go to another club. At 28 he maybe considered to old by some.

Mark, why would you wish for Lance to retire and not go to another club???
Dont you want him to make an earning???

:roll:

"I said he will be finished by age 28 and we better trade him while we can"


To be honest, I don't like seeing ex Carlton players in antoher clubs colours. I do not wish them ill, its just a little disconcerting. Anyways Lance has done quite well out of footy so retirement is a real option. But if he went to antoher club I would wish him well, it would feel 'icky' Is that bottle a red or a white? Having trouble remembering, it was a while ago.


Mark its going to be a big red .. ill be drinking when hes gone!!! :-D

Hows your judgement on keeping Smorgo??

And how is Campo going??? :wink:

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BlueMark wrote:
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Synners, you have been saying Lance is 'gone' for so long now, that the bottle of wine you put away to celebrate his leaving will be a very nice vintage by the time he goes. :-D

Personally I would rather see Lance retire than go to another club. At 28 he maybe considered to old by some.

Mark, why would you wish for Lance to retire and not go to another club???
Dont you want him to make an earning???

:roll:

"I said he will be finished by age 28 and we better trade him while we can"


To be honest, I don't like seeing ex Carlton players in antoher clubs colours. I do not wish them ill, its just a little disconcerting. Anyways Lance has done quite well out of footy so retirement is a real option. But if he went to antoher club I would wish him well, it would feel 'icky' Is that bottle a red or a white? Having trouble remembering, it was a while ago.



Lance has finally been found out and no club will be silly enough to take him on next season.
This time for Lance running laps around Lalor reserve with a tyre around your hips won’t work.
We had our chances to 2 years ago to move him onto Melbourne but it was Lances decision to stay at Carlton. He knew that if he went to Melbourne he would have to work hard compared to the easy rides he gets at Carlton. Denis Pagan the piss weak coach that he is wasn’t tough enough to tell him that his time was up at Carlton and that he had no choice but to go to Melbourne.
Next year Carlton will have a new coach and you get bet you last buck that he will be an retired at 29 coaching his beloved Lalor football club.
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Sheedy'll take him...

Imagine a team with Campo, Allan, Murphy and Whitnall all limping around in it... :shock:

Go on Kev - you know you want to. :-D

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I said at the time that the members would make the right decision and they did. They binned Smorgon and Lorraine. The members made a very clear statement about the constant infighting and the various factions that had sprung up. In short, it had to stop. I supported Smorgon because there was no viable public alternative at the time. Pratt only came on board after the election and after Kerna had literally begged him to do so. If Pratt had made his canditure public at the time of the election I would have voted for him. I certainly was not going to vote on insinuation and supposition, I will leave that for Liberal voters. If Pratt he not stepped in when he did, we would be in serious trouble. As for Campo, I take no joy with his run of injury, he was a damn good player for us and thats how I will remember him.

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I said at the time that the members would make the right decision and they did. They binned Smorgon and Lorraine. The members made a very clear statement about the constant infighting and the various factions that had sprung up. In short, it had to stop. I supported Smorgon because there was no viable public alternative at the time. Pratt only came on board after the election and after Kerna had literally begged him to do so. If Pratt had made his canditure public at the time of the election I would have voted for him. I certainly was not going to vote on insinuation and supposition, I will leave that for Liberal voters. If Pratt he not stepped in when he did, we would be in serious trouble. As for Campo, I take no joy with his run of injury, he was a damn good player for us and thats how I will remember him.

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GWS wrote:
Sheedy'll take him...

Imagine a team with Campo, Allan, Murphy and Whitnall all limping around in it... :shock:

Go on Kev - you know you want to. :-D


Lancewill be the link between the Bombers winning the GF next year and not.
Keep Hird Campo the Johnstons Mal Michael and add Lance for one more crack at it.!!! :wink:

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So Synners which player are you going to target when Lance is gone? You know you remind me of the USA, always in need of an enemy.

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I reckon he will go after Kouta and lappin. They will leave pretty soon though and then he will go after stevens or fev. He likes them now though but he used to love Pagan.

Sticks will also be a likely target for Synbad.

Knowing what Synbad does about stuff i can't understand why he even follows football. It is after all just a game.
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So Synners which player are you going to target when Lance is gone? You know you remind me of the USA, always in need of an enemy.



Well BM.... im not picking any of them off..
Theyre picking themselves off without any help from me.
Im just stating the obvious.


club29.. yeah Sticks will comne to a grinding halt soon too. :wink:

I want a new dawn!!!... ill back the kids....im not going to be bogged down by mediocrity.

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Synbad, which kids in particular are going to deliver the new dawn, and will you undertake not to bag them mercilessly if they don't deliver?

Remember Lance was offering a new dawn back in the late 90's - look where that has got on here! :wink:

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Synbad, which kids in particular are going to deliver the new dawn, and will you undertake not to bag them mercilessly if they don't deliver?

Remember Lance was offering a new dawn back in the alte 90's - look where that has got on here! :wink:


Not going to speak for Synbad but from my own perspective a player who does everything in his power to get the most out of what he has will never cop a bagging from me.

When Synbad mentioned Corey McGrath as being a better bet than Lance the other day I agreed. McGrath was never going top be the most skillful player at the Blues but you never had to doubt that he'd do everything in his power to play just one more game.

Great attitude and deserving of praise regardless of his on-field performance.

The guys who shit me are the ones who coast and Whitnall has been doing that for a long time now.

I don't know which kids are going to lead us back (although there are a couple of #1 picks who look to have the right attitude) but if any of them decide that they're happy where they're at and don't want to give 100% while playing in navy then they should ask for a transfer and expect supporters to call for it.

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A great article by Jake Niall (almost an epitaph) and a good read since he's showing Lance more respect than some Carlton supporters who posted in this thread. The game appears to have passed Lance by and we might need to move on at the end of the year for the good of the club. Yet I still swore when I read the title because Lance was a very good footballer and he will be missed.

[url=http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/whitnall-at-the-crossroads/2007/06/20/1182019200968.html]Whitnall at the crossroads
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The positive is that, following a visit to an orthopedic surgeon on Tuesday, he doesn't require a knee operation and, with a few weeks rest, he should be able to train again and give himself a chance to perform. But anything less than fanatical devotion will be noted by the Carlton hierarchy.

I doubt you'll read this, Lance, but if you do, please, for the sake of football's biodiversity and your own career, knuckle down for the next two months. Otherwise, you'll end up at another club, hopefully in the AFL. You're too good to be captaining Lalor at 28.

Wallsy started the snowball on Monday, now there's no stopping it...

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The guys who shit me are the ones who coast and Whitnall has been doing that for a long time now.

Hopefully the fresh eyes of Icke & Swann are able to weed out the other couple of coasters at seasons end as well.

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Synbad, which kids in particular are going to deliver the new dawn, and will you undertake not to bag them mercilessly if they don't deliver?

Remember Lance was offering a new dawn back in the late 90's - look where that has got on here! :wink:

OR.. just as time takes a guy like Lancxe away and makes him rendunat.. time also allows others to be another day.. another month.. another year older.
If you go through our list youll find the kids are now and with the time till next year...early 20s.

Dont you wish for them to take on responsibilty???
Waite
Fisher
Betts
Walker
Simmo
O'Hailpin
Carrazzo
T Bird
Bentick
Russell
Hatlett
Bower

etc etc etc..

Are we going to force them to cling to their mothers teat in case Lance and Kouta can miraculously come good???

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Its time for the 25s and up to stand up too
Fevola
Stevens
Houla
Wiggo
Bannister
Scotland

to step up

Theyre not in a team of babies like Pagan wants you to believe...

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Fair enough GWS, but my question was posed to Synbad, not due to any great insight that he has but rather because he seems to have an ability to turn on players/coaches/board members pretty quickly.

He is and has been bagging the shit out of Lance & has been calling for the "kids" to revive our great club - I too hope this happens. I simply want to know from him which kids are going to lead us out of our current plight and whether he is likely to turn on them in the future also?

Corey McGrath gave his all for the club, but his very best on field performance never once matched any of Lance's better performances let alone Lance's best.

The expectations that were put on Lance were done so by the club, the fact that he failed to live up to these expectations is in great part the fault of the club. They either didn't manage him correctly, chose the wrong person, didn't trade him or allowed him too much slack.

Fullfilling talent is to a very large degree a matter of mental application. If the whole package is complete (ie skill, application and mental stength) then usually an individual will achieve to a very high degree.

Corey had the application and mental strength but not the skill. Could Corey have improved his skills - if he practised more quite possibly - but he was never going to attain really lofty heights because he lacked equisite talent. Does he get bagged mercilessly because of this failing - not once (nor should he).

Lance has the skill but is possibly lacking in the other 2 areas. Why is Lance's shortfalls any worse than Corey's?

The fact that Lance had promise and ability is only part of the equation.

Surely the club / match committee / board are to blame for expecting more from Lance ( & rewarding him accordingly) than he was ever capable of giving. We all want a hero / champion & many hitched their hopes on Lance - he was unable to consistently deliver and now people are turning on him, when really they picked the wrong player to invest their hope in.

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