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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:44 pm 
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Well if burns just met with us this week, then he hasn't only got himself in the Adelaide basket.

He is obviously considering his options.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:56 pm 
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Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:21 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.


Or maybe his wife doesn't want to leave Sydney


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:30 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Clayman wrote:
Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.


Or maybe his wife doesn't want to leave Sydney

Or next in line in the succession plan.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:31 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Clayman wrote:
Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.


Or maybe his wife doesn't want to leave Sydney


Young child, and a plum job as a Weather Presenter at Seven News, would mean they'd definitely have to take all that into consideration. Was rumoured as why he originally knocked back the Melbourne job under his old mate Roos.

Did apply for the Adelaide job last year, and from reports got down to the Final 4 with Bolton and Bassett from memory....

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:34 pm 
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Why does Dew bother doing the coach accreditation then? Seems like he is scared to take the next step. But it seems like we to told him he is not ready yet, according to Ralphy..

I know what you are saying....But, just because a position is available doesn't mean you have to go for it. Seriously, someone would really have to want this job because in all likelihood it could be their last chance as a coach after we are done with them. This is an evidence based comment.

A young guy of 35 thinking he wants to be a career coach taking on a basket case like us may mean that by the time he is 40 and been sakced all he has to look forward to is an assistant job or coaching a Tassie or SANFL team at the best.


On the other hand, this hypothetical guy has the opportunity to significantly enhance his reputation by playing his part in restoring one of the AFL's great clubs. If he thinks that he is just going to fail then he isn't the right person for the job anyway. And you'd want to be pretty confident of getting another senior coaching role in the future to rule yourself out of opportunities now - there are only 18 senior coaches at any one time.

As much of a basket case as we seem to be at the moment, there are some signs that we might finally understand what needs to be done to turn this thing around. And if you make enough right decisions, things can turn pretty quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:56 pm 
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I know it's about the right coach for the right club, but I reckon if Hawthorn can get their head around it, then so should we kh.


True.
To be fair, piece of cake compared to getting our heads around the last bloke ... :yikes:

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:00 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
muzza wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Why does Dew bother doing the coach accreditation then? Seems like he is scared to take the next step. But it seems like we to told him he is not ready yet, according to Ralphy..

I know what you are saying....But, just because a position is available doesn't mean you have to go for it. Seriously, someone would really have to want this job because in all likelihood it could be their last chance as a coach after we are done with them. This is an evidence based comment.

A young guy of 35 thinking he wants to be a career coach taking on a basket case like us may mean that by the time he is 40 and been sakced all he has to look forward to is an assistant job or coaching a Tassie or SANFL team at the best.


On the other hand, this hypothetical guy has the opportunity to significantly enhance his reputation by playing his part in restoring one of the AFL's great clubs. If he thinks that he is just going to fail then he isn't the right person for the job anyway. And you'd want to be pretty confident of getting another senior coaching role in the future to rule yourself out of opportunities now - there are only 18 senior coaches at any one time.

As much of a basket case as we seem to be at the moment, there are some signs that we might finally understand what needs to be done to turn this thing around. And if you make enough right decisions, things can turn pretty quickly.

I don't disagree. However, we haven't got a lot of evidence to base this turnaround on. If the so called wonder coaches of the modern era (+ Ratten) could not influence the club you could forgive a rookie coach for thinking this may be a bridge too far. Anyway, as I said above, there is every possibility Dew has been given a wink and nudge to say he could be the next in line at Sydney. I know which one I would be choosing if I were a rookie coach.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:26 pm 
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Good to see we've done our undew process.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:28 pm 
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muzza wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
muzza wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Why does Dew bother doing the coach accreditation then? Seems like he is scared to take the next step. But it seems like we to told him he is not ready yet, according to Ralphy..

I know what you are saying....But, just because a position is available doesn't mean you have to go for it. Seriously, someone would really have to want this job because in all likelihood it could be their last chance as a coach after we are done with them. This is an evidence based comment.

A young guy of 35 thinking he wants to be a career coach taking on a basket case like us may mean that by the time he is 40 and been sakced all he has to look forward to is an assistant job or coaching a Tassie or SANFL team at the best.


On the other hand, this hypothetical guy has the opportunity to significantly enhance his reputation by playing his part in restoring one of the AFL's great clubs. If he thinks that he is just going to fail then he isn't the right person for the job anyway. And you'd want to be pretty confident of getting another senior coaching role in the future to rule yourself out of opportunities now - there are only 18 senior coaches at any one time.

As much of a basket case as we seem to be at the moment, there are some signs that we might finally understand what needs to be done to turn this thing around. And if you make enough right decisions, things can turn pretty quickly.

I don't disagree. However, we haven't got a lot of evidence to base this turnaround on. If the so called wonder coaches of the modern era (+ Ratten) could not influence the club you could forgive a rookie coach for thinking this may be a bridge too far. Anyway, as I said above, there is every possibility Dew has been given a wink and nudge to say he could be the next in line at Sydney. I know which one I would be choosing if I were a rookie coach.


I think there are some signs that we are heading in the right direction - the hiring of Trigg (I understand that people are skeptical, but to me he does genuinely seem to "get it"), the appointment of Silvagni, the exhaustive process to find a coach, the club formally acknowledging its need to rebuild through the draft etc. It may not be the poisoned chalice that many think.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:44 pm 
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Bolton the man who alway smiles. We will wipe that smile of his face in 2 weeks when he coaches this team.

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 Post subject: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:23 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.

Or maybe he's pulled out knowing he won't get the gig, reputational thing?

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:35 pm 
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I heard that we thought he needed more time in the system. Never really felt Dew was the right fit for us. No facts, just a hunch.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:54 pm 
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kennyhunter wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
I know it's about the right coach for the right club, but I reckon if Hawthorn can get their head around it, then so should we kh.


True.
To be fair, piece of cake compared to getting our heads around the last bloke ... :yikes:


Unlike the last two appointments, there won't be a section of fans from his current club saying good riddance to Bolton if he was to land the job.

Here's just a small sample of what seems to be the unanimous feeling towards him from everything I've read over the last 12-18 months. I've included a few quotes that put to rest some people's reservations about the "too happy" persona that the media like to portray.

Of course we on the outside have no knowledge of amongst other things his tactical nous etc, so there are some things we'll just have to trust the panel on....

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I feel that due to his external "happy nice guy" persona that the traditionalist AFL faux tough attitudes of most AFL clubs have overlooked him.
AFL needs teachers, something Clarkson has done well to his assistants.


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How anyone can doubt Boltons credentials to coach senior footy is bizarre.. Premiership coach in Tassie, senior coach of Box Hill, senior assistant at Hawthorn, care taker at Hawthorn, 5-0 record in the most successful system of current day footy.

The club that's smart enough to hire him will get a mastermind tactician and a ruthless bloke to boot. He was a PE teacher as well, perfect senior coach at the elite level. I hope he stays and takes over from Clarko, that's our ideal situation.


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Story did the rounds last year when Clarkson was sick Bolton gave it to Brad Sewell amongst a few others "chilli on the stick style" about how he was going about things on and off the field and where his playing future was heading.
Personally and selfishly i'd prefer he stays where he is.


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It's been said that Bolton is as ferocious as Clarko, those smiling presso's and chirpy demeanour is all but a facade for a man that is obsessively competitive and absolutely ruthless in his expectations for his players. I've got my fingers and toes crossed he stays with us and we have a succession plan for him to take over Clarko however it seems more likely than not that he will move on.


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I've posted before about this but Bolton gave the fiercest spray I've ever witnessed during a 3/4 time huddle at Box Hill Oval a number of years ago. He grabbed blokes jumpers. Spit flying around. ******* scary. In a good way.


And a couple of articles:

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-27/bolton-to-fillin-for-clarko

http://m.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2014-05-28/getting-to-know-brendon-bolton

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"The really big challenge was coming to Box Hill,” Bolton said.

“There were AFL players fighting to come back and play in the AFL but they needed to have the most professional environment they can and they need to know the intention is to get them into the AFL.

“We tried to make it a place that people really wanted to be and they knew the intention was right and it was where they belonged and where they felt like they were wanted.

“The real challenge there was make that sense of connectedness and we did that.”

"I’ve tried to learn and listen a lot and then apply a lot of my learning philosophies to the way in which we teach here.

“That’s what I want to continue to do here in the coming years, to make sure we have a really elite learning environment because that’s where my passion is.”

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:45 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
kennyhunter wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
I know it's about the right coach for the right club, but I reckon if Hawthorn can get their head around it, then so should we kh.


True.
To be fair, piece of cake compared to getting our heads around the last bloke ... :yikes:


Unlike the last two appointments, there won't be a section of fans from his current club saying good riddance to Bolton if he was to land the job.

Here's just a small sample of what seems to be the unanimous feeling towards him from everything I've read over the last 12-18 months. I've included a few quotes that put to rest some people's reservations about the "too happy" persona that the media like to portray.

Of course we on the outside have no knowledge of amongst other things his tactical nous etc, so there are some things we'll just have to trust the panel on....

Quote:
I feel that due to his external "happy nice guy" persona that the traditionalist AFL faux tough attitudes of most AFL clubs have overlooked him.
AFL needs teachers, something Clarkson has done well to his assistants.


That is what I like to hear - a positive learning environment. This should mean clear expectations, follow though and prepared to learn from mistakes.

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How anyone can doubt Boltons credentials to coach senior footy is bizarre.. Premiership coach in Tassie, senior coach of Box Hill, senior assistant at Hawthorn, care taker at Hawthorn, 5-0 record in the most successful system of current day footy.

The club that's smart enough to hire him will get a mastermind tactician and a ruthless bloke to boot. He was a PE teacher as well, perfect senior coach at the elite level. I hope he stays and takes over from Clarko, that's our ideal situation.


Quote:
Story did the rounds last year when Clarkson was sick Bolton gave it to Brad Sewell amongst a few others "chilli on the stick style" about how he was going about things on and off the field and where his playing future was heading.
Personally and selfishly i'd prefer he stays where he is.


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It's been said that Bolton is as ferocious as Clarko, those smiling presso's and chirpy demeanour is all but a facade for a man that is obsessively competitive and absolutely ruthless in his expectations for his players. I've got my fingers and toes crossed he stays with us and we have a succession plan for him to take over Clarko however it seems more likely than not that he will move on.


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I've posted before about this but Bolton gave the fiercest spray I've ever witnessed during a 3/4 time huddle at Box Hill Oval a number of years ago. He grabbed blokes jumpers. Spit flying around. ******* scary. In a good way.


And a couple of articles:

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-27/bolton-to-fillin-for-clarko

http://m.hawthornfc.com.au/news/2014-05-28/getting-to-know-brendon-bolton

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"The really big challenge was coming to Box Hill,” Bolton said.

“There were AFL players fighting to come back and play in the AFL but they needed to have the most professional environment they can and they need to know the intention is to get them into the AFL.

“We tried to make it a place that people really wanted to be and they knew the intention was right and it was where they belonged and where they felt like they were wanted.

“The real challenge there was make that sense of connectedness and we did that.”

"I’ve tried to learn and listen a lot and then apply a lot of my learning philosophies to the way in which we teach here.

“That’s what I want to continue to do here in the coming years, to make sure we have a really elite learning environment because that’s where my passion is.”

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 Post subject: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:34 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:21 am 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Clayman wrote:
Dew was at the top of our list a couple of weeks ago. Will be interesting to see what Dew has been promised elsewhere. He must have a better offer.

Or maybe he's pulled out knowing he won't get the gig, reputational thing?


It would have been his call. He is in demand.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:41 am 
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Whoever the club select as coach, as members and supporters, we should not assume he will be/is the messiah. I will be more interested in the team of assistants he brings with him, and how they will set the path to building sustained success.

SOS won't be able to achieve his mandate without a great team and as a club and supporter base, we need to embrace the collective, not just the chosen few. This doesn't dilute or absolve them of their responsibility, it's a collective responsibility, and it all starts from the prez down to the bootstudder.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:09 am 
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Whoever we get in, the club needs to give them time to grow with the group. Must be patient. It might take 10 yrs.

Collingwood were patient with Malthouse and Geelong with Thmpson. We are seeing something similar with Hardwick.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:49 am 
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Just get Bolton. No brainer.


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