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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:49 pm 
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I'm still not diggin' Lukosius. There must be something I've missed. I reckon Walsh and Rankine look the two most likely #1 options. So if Crows want Lukosius, how do we get #2 and #3?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:54 pm 
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Pick 1 should only be dangled for WAY overs, like in a trade with GC for 2 and another early pick.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:24 pm 
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Pick 1 should be dangled to see how much Adelaide want Lukosius, you just never know. Whilst I appreciate the desire for elite talent that only comes either at the top of the draft (then you wait), free agency (but not too many elite free agents will be wanting to come to the bottom side), getting lucky in the draft with the gem others overlook (can't rely on luck) or trading (and if the incoming is a known elite you have to give value back) we have so many list fillers that even without injury our bottom 4 or so are well below par. One gun kid won't turn that around, but a handful of solid firsts quality players could. Get us a bit more competitive in the short term, fill that age/experience void we have, move up the ladder a bit, all the young talent we already have maturing a bit, another reasonably early draft pick next year, suddenly we are a destination club and a chance to pick up top-end free agents to go the next step to finals contention, which in turn heightens the perception that we are a club on the rise, our youngsters mature more, gun free agents consider us an option ...

Not saying I would be unhappy with keeping pick 1 and getting the gun, just that at some point an offer could be too good to refuse, no sense in not finding out.


I might agree if we still were in the first year or two of our rebuild to build that core of soldiers and then add the cream but not anymore, we need to keep adding elite talent, especially when someone like a Walsh is sitting right there to address our biggest need.

The above logic is what Melbourne used when they downtraded from Pick 2 to Pick 9 + Dom Tyson...sound logic until Pick 2 turned out to be Josh Kelly.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:58 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
we must keep pick 1 and get Walsh


Agree. First priority
Everything else can be negotiated after that

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:01 pm 
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PP needs to go to Shiel. That will be better then next years FA pick for GWS.
1 of our second rounders for MM. That is more then fair for his output and type of player.


Shiel + Setterfield for our PP plus exchange of 2019 first round picks

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:54 pm 
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Not sure I’d want to give up or swap next years 1st round pick which is likely to be in the top 3 or 4

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:19 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
PP needs to go to Shiel. That will be better then next years FA pick for GWS.
1 of our second rounders for MM. That is more then fair for his output and type of player.


Shiel + Setterfield for our PP plus exchange of 2019 first round picks


I’d be ok with that. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:08 am 
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Agree pick 1 for Walsh, simple.
If we want to add quality players like,
Shiel and McGovern, you need to pay......

PP (12) for McGovern.
23 year old key forward/defender.

2019 first pick for Shiel and Setterfield with a second round coming back.
Two gun mids.

If we can land McGovern Shiel and Setterfield this trade period while adding Walsh and giving up pick 12 and next years first, i think that would be a great result for our club.

We still have two second rounders also to use or sell both for a pick up grade like pick 15ish.

Simpson Jones Plowman
Marchbank Weitering Docherty
Fisher Cripps Setterfield
SPS Charlie Murphy
McKay McGovern Walsh
Kreuzer Dow Shiel
Byrne Williamson O'Brien Ed

Would be happy with that, charlie can push up the ground and McGovern can push back if needed.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:51 am 
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Walsh.

....and almost on stats alone.

I think it was Glen Luff who indicated last year we'd selected a few players who weren't massive ball winners.

Would love for him to come in and start getting 20+ possessions from day dot.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:45 am 
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Potential option

If we get pick 12 priority pick
- Give Levi Casboult to St Kilda for future third round pick
- Give future first rounder and Saint’s future third to GWS for Shiel and Setterfield
- Give pick 12 and 25 to Adelaide for Mitch McGovern and 19
- Give pick 24 and 65 to Gold Coast for Jack Scrimshaw and 41
- Get Alex Fasolo through free agency

Lose:
- Future first round pick
- Levi Casboult
- Picks 12, 24, 25, 65

Gain:
- Dylan Shiel
- Will Setterfield
- Mitch McGovern
- Jack Scrimshaw
- Alex Fasolo
- Picks 19, 41

Draft:
- 1) Sam Walsh
- 19) Zak Butters
- 41) Ben Silvagni?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:40 pm 
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malbi wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
we must keep pick 1 and get Walsh
We need to keep pick 1. We can't stop recruiting quality kids. We should never stop recruiting quality kids. We bring them in year after year after year. That is how you build a dynasty.

If we want Shiel, Setterfield or McGovern then we bring them in another way.

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Agree with both of you. IMO one of the key factors with Carlton that doesn't apply to the made up teams is that we seem to be keeping our young guns. Not only that, from the outside looking in morale seems to be very good. I really hope we hit the draft hard again this year. Forget about free agents for now - we'd have to pay way overs and you're not likely to win a flag doing that.

I fear though that this isn't what will happen - there's a few people who might lose their jobs if there's isn't immediate improvement in 2019. Can't blame them for protecting their jobs, but I believe it's in Carlton's best long term interest to keep gather top end talent.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:50 pm 
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I’ve got a feeling SOS might try to help GC be in a position to draft the King twins together as long-term replacements for Lynch and (presumably) May. I base this on nothing but a gut feel.

A dream scenario would be that we could engineer something where Jones/Rowe and Casboult are traded there to “look after them” and we can somehow get Brodie and Scrimshaw out of it.

Highly unlikely but a guy can dream.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:17 pm 
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Potential option
If we get pick 12 priority pick
- Give Levi Casboult to St Kilda for future third round pick
- Give future first rounder and Saint’s future third to GWS for Shiel and Setterfield
- Give pick 12 and 25 to Adelaide for Mitch McGovern and 19
- Give pick 24 and 65 to Gold Coast for Jack Scrimshaw and 41
- Get Alex Fasolo through free agency

Lose:
- Future first round pick
- Levi Casboult
- Picks 12, 24, 25, 65

Gain:
- Dylan Shiel
- Will Setterfield
- Mitch McGovern
- Jack Scrimshaw
- Alex Fasolo
- Picks 19, 41

Draft:
- 1) Sam Walsh
- 19) Zak Butters
- 41) Ben Silvagni?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:17 pm 
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BennyP30 wrote:
Potential option

If we get pick 12 priority pick
- Give Levi Casboult to St Kilda for future third round pick
- Give future first rounder and Saint’s future third to GWS for Shiel and Setterfield
- Give pick 12 and 25 to Adelaide for Mitch McGovern and 19
- Give pick 24 and 65 to Gold Coast for Jack Scrimshaw and 41
- Get Alex Fasolo through free agency

Lose:
- Future first round pick
- Levi Casboult
- Picks 12, 24, 25, 65

Gain:
- Dylan Shiel
- Will Setterfield
- Mitch McGovern
- Jack Scrimshaw
- Alex Fasolo
- Picks 19, 41

Draft:
- 1) Sam Walsh
- 19) Zak Butters
- 41) Ben Silvagni?


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So GC are going to give up a 19 year old pick 7 for picks 24 and 65, and they'll throw in pick 41 to sweeten us up?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
BennyP30 wrote:
Potential option

If we get pick 12 priority pick
- Give Levi Casboult to St Kilda for future third round pick
- Give future first rounder and Saint’s future third to GWS for Shiel and Setterfield
- Give pick 12 and 25 to Adelaide for Mitch McGovern and 19
- Give pick 24 and 65 to Gold Coast for Jack Scrimshaw and 41
- Get Alex Fasolo through free agency

Lose:
- Future first round pick
- Levi Casboult
- Picks 12, 24, 25, 65

Gain:
- Dylan Shiel
- Will Setterfield
- Mitch McGovern
- Jack Scrimshaw
- Alex Fasolo
- Picks 19, 41

Draft:
- 1) Sam Walsh
- 19) Zak Butters
- 41) Ben Silvagni?


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So GC are going to give up a 19 year old pick 7 for picks 24 and 65, and they'll throw in pick 41 to sweeten us up?


Basing it off the Josh Schache trade which was about 26 for Schache. Schache is worth more than Scrimshaw so hopefully Gold Coast will do it for that. I honestly have got no clue what they want for him though. What do you reckon?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:50 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Not sure I’d want to give up or swap next years 1st round pick which is likely to be in the top 3 or 4


Who knows?
And There are no guarantees about GWS either

We could conceivably finish 12th and they could conceivably finish 6th

So the exchange could still be a first rounder at about pick 12-14

I'd take the swap plus PP for Shiel and Setterfield in a heartbeart

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:25 am 
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It's all well and good coming up with trade scenarios, where most sound quite good

However the biggest obstacle is a player's choice of club

They generally go to a destination club

Carlton is not a destination club

Sorry to say but Shiel won't choose Carlton

We end up with Fasolo


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:09 am 
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WOW wrote:
It's all well and good coming up with trade scenarios, where most sound quite good

However the biggest obstacle is a player's choice of club

They generally go to a destination club

Carlton is not a destination club

Sorry to say but Shiel won't choose Carlton

We end up with Fasolo


Chris Judd chose Carlton, Matthew Kennedy chose Carlton, as did Marchbank, Plowman, Thomas etc etc etc.
To state he won't choose Carlton is guesswork at best.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:14 am 
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99prelim wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
we must keep pick 1 and get Walsh


Agree. First priority
Everything else can be negotiated after that

Get Smart. :thumbsup:

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