jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:
Just reading between the lines, I got the impression Clarko would have been keen next year if we waited.
As Tom Morris just said, we have gone for Voss because of his 5 years at Brisbane. Essentially Voss is Steve Bradbury, last experienced coach standing. Saving face after what we said after sacking Teague. First timers were always going to be interviewed so there was the look of a process but they were never getting the job. Kingsley apparently interviewed terrifically but we went with Voss because he had coached before. Never mind the fact he set Brisbane back years, he was "experienced". Voss will need a good first year or the teeth gnashing will be something given Clarko would likely be available.
All we can do is support him. I shall be no matter what (not that I have a choice...haha). You always support your own and give them a chance to prove themselves. That's important too.
Really respect you as a poster, but your disdain for Sayers and the sacking of Teague is the only thing I get from you recent posts.
Voss hasn't even set foot in Melbourne. You're parroting the media headlines as facts. Voss hasn't got the job. Fact. Kingsley not out of the race. Fact.
Clarko doesn't even know if he has what it takes to go full on as Head Coach now, and also said he may find he will never have the energy or desire to give the job 100%
Steve Bradbury...why don't you just say, its your personal view that its a Steve Bradbury because you hate what happened to Teague and hate Voss because Teague in your opinion is a better coach than Voss.
And I would ask you, how do you know that? I would add to remind you Voss took a team to Finals. Voss is no longer on Training Wheels. He's been sharpening his sword for the last 7 years. Read what the Port players say about him.
Lastly I would say, I'm glad Ive seen the back of Teague's gift and the embarrassing situation where his team couldn't defend, and in the end became a divisive figure, and a weekly target for his lack of defensive mindset...not finals footy game plan. Judd was right about Teague being on training wheels.
Thank god Teague isn't practising to learn the craft of coaching a team next year. We are not a play thing.
Get over Teague jimmy. Its a new era.
Teague still managed to get the 2nd best results this century here, so that aspect just needed tweaks. That the score not matter what anyone says. Issue anyway is cultural, not coaching. Players only defended when they felt like it. They defended ok when they were switched on, or got a blast at like at half time against Hawthorn, or even against Geelong when we went down that defensive path with the injuries. Culture has been the same for 20 years and and god know how many coaches. At some point you have to say that it is the players and their culture and not so much coaching. If it isn't addressed then we sack another coach in 2 years. I won't go away from that, whether it is Teague or it was someone else. Teague was just the latest. Not sure why people don't get that. Not about Teague per se though, it was about the constant changing of coaches and the culture. The culture is the thing I have been banging about for months, as many would have read. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Few supporters seemed to have learnt. Voss will be the 6th coach in 10 years. Tells you something. We don't get them all wrong when we appoint them. If we kept Teague one more year then Clarko was available.
Reason I said "Bradbury", is Voss was the last experienced coach standing. No other reason. Carlton were never getting anyone other than an experienced coach, as Tom Morris was saying on On the Couch tonight as he spoke about the reason we took Voss. We were never going a first timer after what they said when Teague was sacked, even though Kingsley interviewed brilliantly. It was just for the process. we took Voss for no other reason than he was "experienced", never mind how he performed.
Thanks for the initial compliment...lol.
Jim your views are appreciated more than you may think. I see you as a thinker with a good footy IQ. I'm not pissing in your pocket.
I said what I said about your line of thinking because that's what it looks like to me.
Tom Morris makes up stuff everyday...it starts with "My understanding....bla bla bla..."
I know the idea fits the agenda Sayers set, but you've got to look at the guys value before you take Morris' headlines as gospel.
If we kept Teaguie for another year, there's no reason to believe Clarko may have taken the role, and as it turned out no one knew what Clarko would be replaced by Mitchell, and that Clarko would negotiate a pay out for him to let Mitchell coach his own team....there's a lot of the ducks that don't line up
This what Clarkson said.
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“I said to Cooky on the phone that I grew up in an era where I feel like the best footy … I felt was the late 70s and early 80s. I remember the Carlton’s and the Essendon*’s of that period of time.
“I couldn’t respect two clubs greater than Collingwood and Carlton and the lure to coach those clubs is just sitting there right in front of your face. Do you want to put your hand up to see whether you’d be selected to coach those sides, but it wasn’t strong enough to overpower the thinking of what my family and I need right now and that’s a spell.
“Now, in 12 months … I might find out I can’t recharge the batteries and I don’t want to go again. Or I think probably it’s in my DNA to want to coach again at the end of next year or the year after.”
Teague's record....imo can be pitched the way you pitch it and make it look like he was better than everyone in the AFL, but Teague's Gift shows otherwise. Slow to react, and all the dirty work was done when SOS stripped back the list to bare bones and Bolton did the dirty work. Teague had an opportunity to take the bull by the horns.
Young players thought he was playing favourites, older players thought he was not a good game day coach, and many around him thought he was in over his head...they are the bits and pieces we've heard from the Review directly or indirectly...not from Morris, Ralph or Cornes.
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