MM was fairly happy with the list, and didnt want to tweak it too much

2013 start zip from 3
2014 start zip from 4

I reckon the players can turn it around though...

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I think he took the squad he assembled as far as it could go

theyre just numbers... they mean nothing when the end game is everybody is trying to win a flag...
im sure people get excited over tenth v twelth or what have u

there is no sustainability or logic in measuring where a club like melbourne is at when they lose their first 4 or win 1 out of 4... or 2.

now substitute melbourne for ichmond or carlton

we always broke down when we had to overcome hurdles.
3 in a row...
aging list

nothing come through and what u guys never answer... is what half dozen players are coming through

its very neglectful... ultimately it hurts your argument... u talk as though time stands still....and this isnt a ceometition where the opposition are also working at pushing upwards

its very idiotic

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He had to sugar coat the list management stuff up

Have a listen to what he says at 8:25 presser after the loss to Sydney last year.

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Basically, it's been a house of cards for quite a while.

mick not saying anything new now to what he has been saying all along

hes come from a group and another environment to ours and cant believe it.

a 31 yeaR old like waite doesnt exist at another club gunning at finals

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They do, but they've got a whole host of established players behind them.

See your point all the same, Synners.

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So Mr S, you are now saying that MM misjudged the state of our list in 2012?

Remember MM spent the whole year, in the media and writing his book. He knew that the blues would be the only club seeking him very early on in 2012.

Maybe he was suckered in by what the blues best efforts are out on the field?

All coaches think they can effect and improve a list with a certain amount of talent.

Voss thought Fev would fit right into the Lions den remember?

I always look at workrate, 1%ers and team scarifical acts FIRST - the basics

Then I look at leadership on and off the ground - its quality and depth. (then you can work on the other things. This is why you can slot in a Chris Scott, inexperienced into a Cats outfit and win a flag with only two losses for the year)

Get these wrong, or even if they are a few percent off, then the team is pushing crap up a hill...

And you dont even need to look at statistics to understand how well a team is going in these areas. You can see it whilst watching the game if the opposition is out performing us in these areas.

And as far as Leadership goes - like I said. Judd and Murphy are on a par with a Dean Rice or a Mathew Hogg in the 95 side. Maybe a Peter Dean - but I would select Dean first to build a team around any day.

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2012

he desnt know the list or the lack of draft picks coming through
he doesnt know the contracts

hes a career coaach

the funny bit is this

when carazzo went down v Essendon* this club complained one guy out meant we couldnt do anything
when judd is out people complain
if malthouse doesnt start at start day people blame that
jamo injured first quarter we cant rise
pratt dead were [REDACTED]


u know why? because we rely on individuals psychologically

youre one of those people arent u?u believe a club relies on individuals dont u cret?
u dont understand it should about the machine....the machine the club sets up
so if mick has a heart attack there is aback up
if hes at a book launch and they know.. the footy dept manager takes care of it
thats so funny

sword of damocles stuff... yes read up on him...... hes an intersting tale.. tail

its funny at that at 2014 we have people that still think like u....
no wonder the club is [REDACTED].....even the supporters dont get it

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No doubt abou that Mr S...

It happened again last week when Walker revealled that the reason we chased Daisy was because our players ae very quiet out there on the ground and Murphy needs help in this area...

remember the reason why we chased Brock? to help Judd? To act as a servant for Judd.

Absolutely ridiculous approach.

No mention of team ethics and responsibility and accountability for EVERY player on the list.

Some players work hard 100% of the time, some dont need to or want to.

Some go in hard, others dont want to or dont have to

Some put their body on the line when its their turn, some dont have to or dont want to...

And this Club and Team ethic and ideology is not only tolearted, but fostered openly....

we get the results we deserve.....

And in this area, MM hasnt had an impact yet - I thought he would make an immediate impact on these team related deficiencies that we have - EVERYBODY can see them - go to a game or watch a game, You can see it....and when its really bad, it really stinks to high heaven

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Yay!! Frank Underwood for President!

yes but for years we havent been paying attention to it

this club thinks it will win 2 flags in 5 years....

when in fact its hanging on by a thread...

its been like this for years.....

white knights and individuals

our players have been told whats required... and mick doesnt care if theyre gone

but the culture must change

too little is left to too few

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suddenly the richmond final v the swans final makes sense to people

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....and wasnt it discussed at the time...

the 39 team tackles laid by the blues against the Swans, who had injuries and abotu 450 possessions.

Their skipper McVeigh started the week prior in the media saying that the players were filthy on themsleves for playign the way they did against the hawks the previous week.

The skipper had 20 possessions just in that 2nd quarter, 40 odd for the game.

Judd couldnt flick the switch because there are no switches - maybe a few fuses.

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that is the game the club had to pay attention to.
instead it took the soft option like the supporters an went for the richmond game

board got sucked in too...

malthouse didnt.....

but the 150th was the main target

dont rock the boat they said....

the board used all the wisedom of dane from tc... and thought the richmond game was where its at

sometimes u have to take a step back and look at things without being blinded by bias

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Please don't say our hands were tied or that the cap was busting at the seams.

That is one of the reasons we should have been active. Anyone could have seen that our list needed breaking up at the end of 2012.
We were watching the same group show the same characteristics time and time again.

I could count on one hand the number of games we've played 4 good qtrs of footy over the last 10 years.

yes we were i wanna know what mckay was doing about it

shit operator

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The days of making concessions, excuses and letting people get by on reputations are gone.
They're the same feeble actions that have seen ex players controlling the board and appointing their mates.

We need a thorough review of every aspect of the club. No exceptions, no concessions

What if Mick refuses to have his actions and decisions scrutinised? What if he flatly refuses to have his position reviewed?
Who's going to accept that and let Mick escape scrutiny? Well thats what you'll have.
Mick won't be part of a review. At the Pies he flatly refuse and he won't change.
They could review every aspect of the club but he refused to have his position or performance scrutinised.
Thats part of the reason he was moved on.

He''ll dig his heels in even more here. Our illustrious board promised him autonomy to get him to sign and we're not coming from a position of strength.
He wants the right to hire and fire and he won't relinquish any of it.

The question is, are we happy to let that continue?
IMHO, if we accept that, we've learnt nothing. Reputations, past performances don't guarantee success. The club is rooted. It needs to re-evaluate from the president to the bootstudder.
If we don't take the opportunity to do things properly now, we'll continue on our trip to nowhere.

No one should be except. Especially the football department.

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Yep...