jim wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:
Just reading between the lines, I got the impression Clarko would have been keen next year if we waited.
As Tom Morris just said, we have gone for Voss because of his 5 years at Brisbane. Essentially Voss is Steve Bradbury, last experienced coach standing. Saving face after what we said after sacking Teague. First timers were always going to be interviewed so there was the look of a process but they were never getting the job. Kingsley apparently interviewed terrifically but we went with Voss because he had coached before. Never mind the fact he set Brisbane back years, he was "experienced". Voss will need a good first year or the teeth gnashing will be something given Clarko would likely be available.
All we can do is support him. I shall be no matter what (not that I have a choice...haha). You always support your own and give them a chance to prove themselves. That's important too.
Really respect you as a poster, but your disdain for Sayers and the sacking of Teague is the only thing I get from you recent posts.
Voss hasn't even set foot in Melbourne. You're parroting the media headlines as facts. Voss hasn't got the job. Fact. Kingsley not out of the race. Fact.
Clarko doesn't even know if he has what it takes to go full on as Head Coach now, and also said he may find he will never have the energy or desire to give the job 100%
Steve Bradbury...why don't you just say, its your personal view that its a Steve Bradbury because you hate what happened to Teague and hate Voss because Teague in your opinion is a better coach than Voss.
And I would ask you, how do you know that? I would add to remind you Voss took a team to Finals. Voss is no longer on Training Wheels. He's been sharpening his sword for the last 7 years. Read what the Port players say about him.
Lastly I would say, I'm glad Ive seen the back of Teague's gift and the embarrassing situation where his team couldn't defend, and in the end became a divisive figure, and a weekly target for his lack of defensive mindset...not finals footy game plan. Judd was right about Teague being on training wheels.
Thank god Teague isn't practising to learn the craft of coaching a team next year. We are not a play thing.
Get over Teague jimmy. Its a new era.
Teague still managed to get the 2nd best results this century here, so that aspect just needed tweaks. That the score not matter what anyone says. Issue anyway is cultural, not coaching. Players only defended when they felt like it. They defended ok when they were switched on, or got a blast at like at half time against Hawthorn, or even against Geelong when we went down that defensive path with the injuries. Culture has been the same for 20 years and and god know how many coaches. At some point you have to say that it is the players and their culture and not so much coaching. If it isn't addressed then we sack another coach in 2 years. I won't go away from that, whether it is Teague or it was someone else. Teague was just the latest. Not sure why people don't get that. Not about Teague per se though, it was about the constant changing of coaches and the culture. The culture is the thing I have been banging about for months, as many would have read. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Few supporters seemed to have learnt. Voss will be the 6th coach in 10 years. Tells you something. We don't get them all wrong when we appoint them. If we kept Teague one more year then Clarko was available.
Reason I said "Bradbury", is Voss was the last experienced coach standing. No other reason. Carlton were never getting anyone other than an experienced coach, as Tom Morris was saying on On the Couch tonight as he spoke about the reason we took Voss. We were never going a first timer after what they said when Teague was sacked, even though Kingsley interviewed brilliantly. It was just for the process. we took Voss for no other reason than he was "experienced", never mind how he performed.
Thanks for the initial compliment...lol.
Your point about Culture is clearly correct and I doubt anyone on TC would disagree.
And I don't think that anyone believes that changing the coach alone will fix our cultural issues.
However, I would bet that a coach like Ross Lyon (to use the most obvious example of a diff style coach) would definitely have a better chance of instilling a more consistent mindset amongst the players, who would also be clearer in their roles. And there would be no passengers in a team coached by Lyon. And he would not be gifting games to players who don't deserve it.
But back to culture, fixing that is not mutually exclusive from replacing the coach.
In addition to changing the coach, we have a new President, half the Board has been turned over, a new CEO, all new assistants and I suspect there will be even more changes in the coming months.
Teague's Performance
I also believe the review looked specifically at Teague's ability to improve the performance of the team, to a top 4 standard. And I suspect it concluded that he was unlikely to do so, even with a change of assistants. Who knows why or whether this is correct. Who knows, for example, whether he was challenged at the end of last season, to improve the defensive part of our game plan? Who knows if he tried but failed; or indeed if he said it wasn't important for his game plan (as he hinted at before the Bulldogs match). I know from my perspective, as a big Teague fan, I was surprised this season to see players on the field look confused about what was happening, about where they should run to, what they should do at various situations in the game. It might be the players, it might be the result of what should have happened somewhere else on the ground but in any event, its ultimately up to the coach to get this right.
Waiting until next season
There were leaks from the Board that they were indeed debating whether to keep Teague for next season on the basis that we either improved significantly, or we could move on a refreshed Clarkson. There is merit to this approach but, if the Review indicated that he was not the guy, then this approach would be like getting the whole club to tread water for another year IN CASE we might be able to get Clarkson (although I realise that by the end of next season, Buckley, Chris Scott and maybe some others might also be available if we missed out on Clarkson...)
BradburyPls take this in the light-hearted manner in which it is intended
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You do realise that the four other skaters screwed up, right?
Also, Bradbury is not a terrible role model either. Growing up in Queensland, he toiled for over a decade, through 3 Olympics and multiple serious injuries and insults to first drag his teammates to the first Australian Olympic Winter Games medal ever (Bronze in 1994) and then got himself into the final in 2002. He had a very specific strategy in that race to "hang back, and hope". Given he was racing against all-time Giants of the sport, this was probably a pretty good strategy and turned out to be the winning strategy. First ever Australian Gold medal at a Winter Olympics.
If Voss, who also grew up in Queensland, also suffered horrific injury in his prime, and has also spent over 10 years honing his skills as a coach, gets us to win our first Premiership in nearly 30 years, I'll take it! Even if it requires a strategy to counter what may be a better team on GF day!
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