It's not that we traded for Warnock that is an issue it is the fact that we had to neglect a breadth 34 or so players long in the draft to do so. If we do that too often it's no wonder we have holes in our list. It is usually not like-for-like in terms of numbers either.

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Because as of right now we are an average club. I'd love to know why you think we should be higher than what we are. Is it out experienced ruck division? Our talent laden forward line? Our strong bodied midfield?

Less RAW talent. Have a think about that statement for a minute.

Warnock is a risk... but the dividends we stand to gain are massive and could not go past that.

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Because we have more talent than the average teams...

We are very poorly organised.

And if other clubs are also poorly organised ... thats not for us to compare ourselves with.. its for us to move away from ...

Again can i just stress.... if clubs are shit.. and were shit... does that make it ok???

Its REALLY about getting the most from the list... aand having the best possible people to extract the most from our list...
and not the tenth best.. or the last best...

doesnt make sense????


maybe not to some people.....

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Synbad you are my favourite poster here on this site (for very long time) but if Warnock doesn't make it, then if I am around in 2 years you will be spruiking how the club got it wrong and we need action. You are a very reactive person should be more proactive.

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Maybe, but I have my doubts. Then again, when was the last time we gave up one of our own for the overall good of the club, and I'm not talking Judd. It's all one way and it is unsustainable for want of a better word. It weakens the lower end of your list disastrously at best. At worst the player turns out inadequate for your needs to top it off. They have us chasing after what’s-his-name from Freo in the paper now.

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I think now we are pretty much certainties to make the 8 thanks to lucky results this round, Ratts has the opportunity to really define a game plan, hopefully that includes taking the game on and stop playing of the back foot.

The Bombers midfield

McVeigh > No preseason
Welshe > No preseason
Prismal > No preseason
Watson > Interrupted preseason
Reimers > No preseason and fourth game back
Have no recognised ruckman

Thats the guts of there midfield running on one leg and they've managed to do alright i'd say.

We made a mistake not trading Lance - it's too late to trade Fev now - if we were to do it it should have been done at the end of 06.

You talk about not trading for picks...I agree it's something we should be trying to do but who should we be trading?

I still think we should try to keep developing our own and even add more picks in.

It seems every trade period I get scared we'll trade picks away...last year it was Kerr...who will it be this year?

FWIW I approve of the Warnock trade based on what I've seen of him...I don't think many Carlton supporters have seen him play. He showed enormous ability during 2007 when Sandilands was out injured.

You never seem to have all ruckmen up and running at once so it is good to have four rucks on the list.

I just hope we don't go thinking we're one trade away from being a top 4 team/challenger...you should back your recruiters and development coaches in and keep the first round pick.

I look at a team like Adelaide and see what they've done without high picks - they have backed their recruiters/development staff and are building a very deep list, all without early picks.

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I'll give you Welsh/Prismall/Reimers but what about the others? Reimers isn't even a midfielder.

Stanton/Lovett/Winderlich/Watson were all up and running. Hille went down injured but Ryder has done very well since - given opportunity and has thrived.

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Saints collected early draft picks but didn't really start to put it together until they brought in some fringe players from other clubs

Sometimes you can pick up a gem but we have had to many lemons

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Scotland> No pre season
Walker> Hasnt played yet
Warnock> Hasnt played yet
Waite> Out since rd 9
Stevens> Fitness and weight issues - missed 1/3 of the season so far.
Grigg> Has only played in half of our games
Carrazzo> See Grigg
Wiggins> Out since round 9


Seems we've had our share of injuries to players in our best 22 as well Melvey.

Look forward to your spin on it though.

For your sake i won't say anything.

Their main midfielders had full pre seasons (Stanton/Watson/Lovett). You named someone like Reimers who rarely plays in the middle.

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I was talking about midfield. The hard gut runners of the team whom which ours have been fit and firing and who had there buts kicked in by one that was underdone.

Im pretty sure Winderlick didn't do much of a preseason and upto 20 Essendon* players had surgery at the end of the 2008 season.

Im just saying the guts of our team bar Scotto had ripping preseasons (october to december) and are well prepared.

Scotto who is struggling missed an entire preseason like Welshe, McVeigh and Prismal.

Thought you were leaving, Melvey ????

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Winderlich did all of the pre season after Christmas IIRC.

Stanton/Watson/Lovett (their 3 key midfielders) all did full pre seasons. Not sure what the surgery has to do with it given it happens at every club and a lot of the players that have surgery are ready to go at the start of pre season.

Gee today was a sign of things to come with the bombers - two key forwards (one who got injured) who look like they are near the end.

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Pre Christmas is all fitness based. You miss that and you are........ well, flower!

Didn't effect Winderlich though did it? Doesn't change the fact that their key midfielders had no fitness/injury concerns leading into the season.

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