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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:56 pm 
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I think he has had 2 years to make the choice

As soon as the filth 'plan' was announced Swann made enquiries.


Swann had no business doing that when we already had a coach.Interfering bafoon would be if he could be.


Depends. If he made the enquires at the direction of his board, then he was just doing his job.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Surrey really loved the exit presser Ratts made so now he wants to see if Malthouse can top that....

Actually the weirdest thing about Ratts is his exit presser will be remembered more than his coaching nouse...
Im still trying to see that Carlton swagger he promised us....

Im pretty sure from now on sacked coaches will be trying to top each others pressers in the 'class stakes'.... abit like host Olympics cities try and outdo each other.

Ultimately theyre not employed for us to see how well they exit stage......

Were after results!!!....

Tough gig coaching... especially for the Blues....i think we lost sight of that when we employed him....

Hope the next guy proves abit more... or we shall take him out the back and bash him too....

17 flags.... 18.... 18.... 20..... do not stop!!! be relentless!!!

Thats what they get paid the big bucks for.....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:07 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I would like to see us not get Cloke, Goddard, Boak or anyone of any significance.
I would like to see the master use the current list with similar injuries, suspensions and mental fatigue and see what transpires.
Any additional help from now on is not an even playing field.
So hopefully we'll do the right thing and go to the draft and top up with youngsters.

x 1000


Lets definitely NOT go for a flag, but rather ensure that Mick proves to SurreyBlue that Ratten wasn't a bad coach.

GO BLUES!!


or maybe just prove to all the Ratten bashers they where right. :razz:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:09 pm 
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Surrey really loved the exit presser Ratts made so now he wants to see if Malthouse can top that........


He won't top that.....no one will, least of all Malthouse. He's already making excuses (my women crying!!!) before he even takes the job. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:12 pm 
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Actually Surrey... Sticks bashed Ratts... him and his mates bashed him.
They really gave it to him....

first they give him a contract extension.. then they decide he isnt up to it... but they cant do anything 1/4 of the way through the contract... looks silly and makes them look silly..... so they wait till the end of the seasons review...
. but they couldnt even wait till the end of the seasons review... they never even let him re apply.... they couldnt get him out quickly enough....

We can be critical ... but we cant sack him....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Wrong again Synbad. Lets keep to the facts shall we.
Sticks pulled the trigger but his hands where tied with the board of 12 favouring the move against his vote.
If you really want to know the truth, Swann is the man pulling the strings........and we all know what you think about him.
Hopefully Sticks walks away and tells them all to stick it now as well!!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:20 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Surrey really loved the exit presser Ratts made so now he wants to see if Malthouse can top that........


He won't top that.....no one will, least of all Malthouse. He's already making excuses (my women crying!!!) before he even takes the job. :thumbsup:

youre right surrey... malthouse cant top ratts sacked presser...

but he will always have a better coaching record than ratts....

i think some of our people are losing the plot....

its not about personalities... its about results.

club is treading water.... thats no good....

why would i be happy cos ratts tops malthouse or not tops malthouse in what he says for getting sacked ???... which means.. he didnt do the job we want....

if malthouse wins us a premiership... and then he gets sacked i wouldnt care if he said... "Youse can all get [REDACTED]... the whole lot of yuse .. you dirty stinking Carlton supporters......."

Or we never win a flag and our coach leaves in a classy manner...

You see the difference???....

were getting our shit mixed up

were barracking for brownlows... and eliminational final wins become our flags...

Ratts had a good go

not many coaches survive 5 plus seasons...
His record wasnt magnificent and these must win games we always lose... means were not taking that step.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Wrong again Synbad. Lets keep to the facts shall we.
Sticks pulled the trigger but his hands where tied with the board of 12 favouring the move against his vote.
If you really want to know the truth, Swann is the man pulling the strings........and we all know what you think about him.
Hopefully Sticks walks away and tells them all to stick it now as well!!!!!

swann pulls the strings???

how does that work when the board hire and fire him???

so there is a board that emplys swann... and swann.... works independantly of them and runs the show without any accountability to him....

PS i wish sticks did walk away and tells us all to sticks it.....
problem is he isnt walking away yet.. cos swann hasnt fired him....yet...

good to see you have a grasp on how things work.... :lol:

Let me explain something to you....

If Carlton was a Christmas tree... Sticks is the star on the very top point of that Christmas tree...
He chairs the board and the board make the executive decisions.
Swann carries those out....
Swann is hired by the board.. and sacked by the board.

Ratten cant be hired or sacked without that decision rubber stamped by the board too...

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:31 am 
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Getting the discussion back on the topic at hand...

It's interesting how so many people are so strongly opposed to Malthouse. I recall the discussions about Fevola, and whether we should have got rid of him, and even Kernahan before this year, and now perhaps Ratten this year. There were many people who thought trading Fevola was a disastrous move. There have been many who have backed Kernahan all the way through, although finally that does seem to be changing.

Football is such an emotional game, it's hard to stop the emotion taking over. The love of Kernahan (and even the love of Ratten in recent times), the love and need for Fevola IMHO clouded many people's reading of the facts. Fact - Kernahan has been associated with (and central to) every board that has failed for years to get Carlton to where it needs to be. Fact - Fevola was an incredible distraction and an awful role model to the young kids at the Club, and was indicative of the poor culture and leadership in place. Fact (IMHO - and of course, it is all about opinions, so this is just my reading of it) - Malthouse is an exceptional coach, with a fabulous record, and a proven ability to build football departments, develop kids, implement successful game plans, bring a hard-nosed defensive element to teams, develop leadership, culture etc etc.

But Maltbouse is also an arrogant, hard nosed prick who rubs most people up the wrong way. He's really hard to like, at a distance (which is where most of us sit). So the emotion says no way, I don't want him in a navy blue polo. Yet the facts say (again, IMHO) he is EXACTLY the kind of coach we need to take us to the next level and instil the culture, leadership, development and game plan we need to win a flag, if you go by what he's been able to achieve (even if you take into account that WC and Coll had money and facilities etc. Although we are in debt, if Malthouse says to our board, we need this, this and this, the money will be made available).

So I wonder if emotion is once again clouding the cold, hard facts. As we all know, when you make big decision in football, you have to remove the emotion of it. That's why, even though I don't like Malthouse in the way he comes across (I have no idea what he's like in real life as I've never met him), and when I see him interviewed I see arrogance and pig-headedness, the facts tell me he is exactly what this Club needs.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:31 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
..........Hopefully Sticks walks away and tells them all to stick it now as well!!!!!

We can but hope....

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:02 am 
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I'm not in favour (reckon he's too old & too expensive) but seing as the deal's supposedly been done I'm reluctantly shrugging my shoulders & accepting that there are positives.

Could easily see him doing wonders for a player like Ellard.

More than happy for him to come in & put a rocket up the softcock aspect of the footy club.

Media & affect on membership, couldn't really care. If we're relying on change of coach to boost the numbers, meh.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:03 am 
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I'm not in favour (reckon he's too old & too expensive) but seing as the deal's supposedly been done I'm reluctantly shrugging my shoulders & accepting that there are positives.

Could easily see him doing wonders for a player like Ellard.

More than happy for him to come in & put a rocket up the softcock aspect of the footy club.

Media & affect on membership, couldn't really care. If we're relying on change of coach to boost the numbers, meh.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:03 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
Getting the discussion back on the topic at hand...

It's interesting how so many people are so strongly opposed to Malthouse. I recall the discussions about Fevola, and whether we should have got rid of him, and even Kernahan before this year, and now perhaps Ratten this year. There were many people who thought trading Fevola was a disastrous move. There have been many who have backed Kernahan all the way through, although finally that does seem to be changing.

Football is such an emotional game, it's hard to stop the emotion taking over. The love of Kernahan (and even the love of Ratten in recent times), the love and need for Fevola IMHO clouded many people's reading of the facts. Fact - Kernahan has been associated with (and central to) every board that has failed for years to get Carlton to where it needs to be. Fact - Fevola was an incredible distraction and an awful role model to the young kids at the Club, and was indicative of the poor culture and leadership in place. Fact (IMHO - and of course, it is all about opinions, so this is just my reading of it) - Malthouse is an exceptional coach, with a fabulous record, and a proven ability to build football departments, develop kids, implement successful game plans, bring a hard-nosed defensive element to teams, develop leadership, culture etc etc.

But Maltbouse is also an arrogant, hard nosed prick who rubs most people up the wrong way. He's really hard to like, at a distance (which is where most of us sit). So the emotion says no way, I don't want him in a navy blue polo. Yet the facts say (again, IMHO) he is EXACTLY the kind of coach we need to take us to the next level and instil the culture, leadership, development and game plan we need to win a flag, if you go by what he's been able to achieve (even if you take into account that WC and Coll had money and facilities etc. Although we are in debt, if Malthouse says to our board, we need this, this and this, the money will be made available).

So I wonder if emotion is once again clouding the cold, hard facts. As we all know, when you make big decision in football, you have to remove the emotion of it. That's why, even though I don't like Malthouse in the way he comes across (I have no idea what he's like in real life as I've never met him), and when I see him interviewed I see arrogance and pig-headedness, the facts tell me he is exactly what this Club needs.



Malthouses job is not to be liked ...its not be democratic or new age....

its to get the most out of our list so we are getting the best results we can.

its to make the players go out and be competitive every game.... and set themselves up to get a positive result every game.

youll be able to tell if he can coach when you see how the bulk of our list is coming along... and how we treat the clubs in the competitition come game day.

i think this will improve markedly....

and that is what a coach does.....

Ratten couldnt get them past a certain level.... player or as a group

That was his level...as a coach

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
Getting the discussion back on the topic at hand...

It's interesting how so many people are so strongly opposed to Malthouse. I recall the discussions about Fevola, and whether we should have got rid of him, and even Kernahan before this year, and now perhaps Ratten this year. There were many people who thought trading Fevola was a disastrous move. There have been many who have backed Kernahan all the way through, although finally that does seem to be changing.

Football is such an emotional game, it's hard to stop the emotion taking over. The love of Kernahan (and even the love of Ratten in recent times), the love and need for Fevola IMHO clouded many people's reading of the facts. Fact - Kernahan has been associated with (and central to) every board that has failed for years to get Carlton to where it needs to be. Fact - Fevola was an incredible distraction and an awful role model to the young kids at the Club, and was indicative of the poor culture and leadership in place. Fact (IMHO - and of course, it is all about opinions, so this is just my reading of it) - Malthouse is an exceptional coach, with a fabulous record, and a proven ability to build football departments, develop kids, implement successful game plans, bring a hard-nosed defensive element to teams, develop leadership, culture etc etc.

But Maltbouse is also an arrogant, hard nosed prick who rubs most people up the wrong way. He's really hard to like, at a distance (which is where most of us sit). So the emotion says no way, I don't want him in a navy blue polo. Yet the facts say (again, IMHO) he is EXACTLY the kind of coach we need to take us to the next level and instil the culture, leadership, development and game plan we need to win a flag, if you go by what he's been able to achieve (even if you take into account that WC and Coll had money and facilities etc. Although we are in debt, if Malthouse says to our board, we need this, this and this, the money will be made available).

So I wonder if emotion is once again clouding the cold, hard facts. As we all know, when you make big decision in football, you have to remove the emotion of it. That's why, even though I don't like Malthouse in the way he comes across (I have no idea what he's like in real life as I've never met him), and when I see him interviewed I see arrogance and pig-headedness, the facts tell me he is exactly what this Club needs.

excellent post :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:21 am 
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Siegfried wrote:
Getting the discussion back on the topic at hand...

It's interesting how so many people are so strongly opposed to Malthouse. I recall the discussions about Fevola, and whether we should have got rid of him, and even Kernahan before this year, and now perhaps Ratten this year. There were many people who thought trading Fevola was a disastrous move. There have been many who have backed Kernahan all the way through, although finally that does seem to be changing.

Football is such an emotional game, it's hard to stop the emotion taking over. The love of Kernahan (and even the love of Ratten in recent times), the love and need for Fevola IMHO clouded many people's reading of the facts. Fact - Kernahan has been associated with (and central to) every board that has failed for years to get Carlton to where it needs to be. Fact - Fevola was an incredible distraction and an awful role model to the young kids at the Club, and was indicative of the poor culture and leadership in place. Fact (IMHO - and of course, it is all about opinions, so this is just my reading of it) - Malthouse is an exceptional coach, with a fabulous record, and a proven ability to build football departments, develop kids, implement successful game plans, bring a hard-nosed defensive element to teams, develop leadership, culture etc etc.

But Maltbouse is also an arrogant, hard nosed prick who rubs most people up the wrong way. He's really hard to like, at a distance (which is where most of us sit). So the emotion says no way, I don't want him in a navy blue polo. Yet the facts say (again, IMHO) he is EXACTLY the kind of coach we need to take us to the next level and instil the culture, leadership, development and game plan we need to win a flag, if you go by what he's been able to achieve (even if you take into account that WC and Coll had money and facilities etc. Although we are in debt, if Malthouse says to our board, we need this, this and this, the money will be made available).

So I wonder if emotion is once again clouding the cold, hard facts. As we all know, when you make big decision in football, you have to remove the emotion of it. That's why, even though I don't like Malthouse in the way he comes across (I have no idea what he's like in real life as I've never met him), and when I see him interviewed I see arrogance and pig-headedness, the facts tell me he is exactly what this Club needs.


Talking to people who know him, in a football sense he is a people person which I was surprised at. When you saw him at media conferences as colonwood coach it was the last thing you thought he would be.

But MM apparently had a really good working relationship with his assistants, something Ratts was not able to do and that was one of his biggest failures. Indirectly it led to the stunted development of our younger players. Remember, we have some of the most highly rated assistant coaches in the AFL so something much be wrong.

MM can communicate and delegate which even Ratts admitted he had problems with. So let's be careful with the trading and drafting and allow MM to build on the base we already have. IMHO its not so far from a premiership contender.

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Re my last post, on the assumption MM gets the gig of course!

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I see what you did there! :thumbsup:

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Pagan's job is not to be liked ...its not be democratic or new age....

its to get the most out of our list so we are getting the best results we can.

its to make the players go out and be competitive every game.... and set themselves up to get a positive result every game.

youll be able to tell if he can coach when you see how the bulk of our list is coming along... and how we treat the clubs in the competitition come game day.

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