It is what is it at this point.

Unfortunately we cannot trade our semi decent players ie Kennedy. As we broadcast to the public we dont want them.

Players of this ilk are commanding second rounders for a guy like him. But not from Carlton.

Owies - If he played at another club, he would be highly sought after too.

We just dont think as a club.

Other teams know we are desperate and not at all shrewd.

So of course Collingwood will win Houston. Why dont GoldCoast accept Kennedy, Owies and our F1 for pick 13 instead.

Surely Kennedy is better than Noble ?

I am not upset at missing out on Houston, its just our general attitude. We need to be ruthless to take the next step.

Instead we are going to probably end up same same next year. We keep Owies, Kennedy, Young and Carol. Yippee.

We need the list spots.

Austin needs to be changed.

I may be over-reacting and I may be called out. But we wont take the next step because we love the nice guys, we kept Marchbank, Cunningham and Martin all this time for no output. Because we loved them.

If we were ferdinkum we would have gone for Smith. And gone hard at very good young players.

I will put it out there. Smith, Barrass, Peatling. I would have loved to go hard at.

Mid, Back and Medium foward - Right there….

Kennedy, Owies and F1 for 13 essentially valuesKennedy and Owies as near- zero, does it not?

Nothing has even happened yet...

Thanks for the reality check BC

Let’s see it unfold

Hold your horses.

The opening day of the trade period will be this Monday, October 7 and it will close on Wednesday, October 16. 9 days to make deals.
A lot of the deals will be actually done on the last day's frenzy, on Wednesday October 16.

So, not until GCS decide on what they do with their pick 12, no one knows what will happen with trades for us. So much riding on this pick for Carlton.

Then there's Brizzy's pick 18, which could also a target for Austin, whether or not GCS pick 12 happens or not. IF, GCS trade pick 12 to Pies for Noble and F1, then I guess Austin will have more chips for pick 18.

We can't judge Austin's Trade period till the last day, and if there's no trades made for Houston, SDK or another prized player (dependent on other trades puching him out), we will judge Austin at the end of the Draft, Nov 20-21, followed by rookie draft Nov 23.

IF, no other teams want Owies, Kennedy, Young and Carrol, what does that say about those players and the value some supporters place on them? Furthermore they will determine the number of Draft selections we are able to take.

As it stands we have

Pick 11, 31, Ben, Lucas, Haynes & Duffy

OR, may get

Pick 11, 12, 31, Ben, Lucas, Haynes & Duffy

OR Best case scenario we get

Pick 11, 12, 18, Ben, Lucas,Haynes & Duffy, but alot depends on 2 or more of Owies, Kennedy, Carrol, and Young trades

I'm sure Austin is trying his best, and am glad he's not selling the farm eg Harry, pick 11...

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Well said Cazz.

Haynes is a win for us imo. We know what he can do.

Imo he's an upgrade on Gov and kemp, and doesnt impact our Cap and disnt cost us anything, but a list spot.

I'm OK Austin taking a safe bet, and he can find another list spot for speculative late picks. We need to improve our list, and fill some holes...where we can.

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Exactly.

We package them up, GWS style, to open list spots. They are surplus to our needs....well not sure if Young is surplus, not until we find a KPD to replace him.

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I know youre guessing Austin doesnt go in hard to win deals, or the right man for the job, but he, and therefore Carlton, are not the only team after the players swithching teams.

We are trying to move on 4 players, 2 of them contracted, just to make spots available....AND about $1M in salary space.

I share your frustrations, and there's other issues which I find frustration such as our ineptness with NGA in regional Victoria, but lets judge Austin at the end of the Draft. You know deals can be made live during the draft too.

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Sorry Drew, but there’s a lot of nonsense in this.

I think you just want everything that everyone else has. Even if we were sitting pretty on a string of premierships, it’d still be ‘sack everyone, do what the 4th best club has done’.

You’re not on your own, but still…

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

World is full of possibilities BB and always love your optimism

Always keen to read your take Doc. Respect.

We all agree we got the better DeKoning after his breakthrough year. But, lets get real, in 2022 when Sam was the CHB for the Premiership team there was no way anyone thought Tom was better than Sam. Sam was all the buzz, deservedly so. he was a rock at CHB. The brothers play different positions, so for me, no comparison, and my question is whether the 2 would fit in nicely into our team in 2025, or 2026.

You didn't say it, but are you alluding SDK is not in OUR best 22? That's the only consideration here.

Nathan Ablett kicked 3 in a GF win then retired because he lost interest in playing footy. Nathan made a lot of unconventional decisions before , during and after his short AFL stint. SDK has already matched him in years playing AFL, and is only 23. I don't think SDK is a head case like Nathan was/is. In fact, there's something normal about SDK What's your point?

If you know SDK isnt in Cats best 22, do you think Carlton don't know that? SDK's value is higher today, and will drop next year if he's not played as you allude to.

I think Sam was gettable IF Bailey and Oliver were taken by Geelong, and they needed a salary dump. If we don't get him this year, we may try again next year as we always do.

Bottom line, do you think SDK is worth a first round pick and does he fill a weakness for us?

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If we could get SDK for a first round rounder plus change where do I sign for a young versatile tall that has premiership experience….lets dare to dream BB

That's all one can do LB.

Isn't everyone here just dreaming of what could be or what wont be in the future.

Glass half full/empty.

I think we are not far off the mark.

If someone can tell me what went wrong after the Geelong and Richmond win, then we would know if its something we can fix for 2025.

At this stage I feel its 4 things:

1. Injuries disrupting continuity and
2. Fiddling with different game plans/ tweaking implies the plans we had during the preseason needed more work.
3. 3rd tall defender costing us games
4. Small forwards failing to win in their position

We can fix the first 2 the first 2 items, so does that imply our window is open? If so, lets get the holes in the latter 2 areas.

Berry type, SDK and Haynes would make a huge difference to our fortunes imo.

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I dont want what everyone else has. I want to win a premiership. We have many mediocre players still in comparison to the competing sides.

I feel, and this is my opinion only, we are not ruthless enough. We have kept Marchbank, Martin and Cunningham for so long. We got nothing from them.

We gave Pitto - 4 years. We contracted Durdin for 2 who is also injury prone. We contracted Fantasia for 2 years and he is injury prone.

Now we hardly have any list spots and it’s hard to add players that will help us because we are at the moment - according to the media having issues trading Kennedy, Owies and Young.

If these players were with other sides, everyone will be falling over themselves to get them.

One has to wonder - Why??

I am just frustrated that we were at the bottom with Brisbane and they won a premiership.

Hawthorn has overtaken us this year.

I just want our turn.

What is the issue with our club ? Its frustrating. We clearly need another back, a good mid, and a medium/small forward.

At the moment we have a 32 year old Haynes. I really like Haynes but will he be injury prone too?

I will shut up and wait and see with holding my breath as to what Austin does.

Drewgirl on fire…

Drew girl is spot on, our list management has been appalling, at last we’ve managed to move some of the injury pron players , hopefully will trade out 2 or 3 others, if not there’s always next year for a proper revision of our list.

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What LB said. I would give a first round for Sam in a heart beat. Turns 24 in Feb 2025. 204cms, 60+ games. He is ready to fly. There's your spine sorted for the next 5+ years. I get using our 1st Rd on a kid in 2024, but I honestly think we have a 3 year window to play off in a GF with our big 5. Crippa, Harry, Charlie, Walshy and Weits.

Weits
SDK
Crippa/Walsh
Harry
Charlie

https://www.geelongcats.com.au/video/1536767/sam-de-koning-50-games?videoId=1536767&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1714033800001

That's just my 2 cents.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Yes the grass is always greener at the oppositions place.
In reality the only supporters not whinging about the incompetence of their teams management, coaching, players and drafting is Brisbane. Winners are grinners

Football Dept is run by Brad Lloyd - I think our Football Director has finally realised he’s not up to snuff - hopefully be gone soon.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Please say it’s so we get rid of this bozo Lloyd. And he can take Austin with him. And the whole recruiting dept too.

Anyone know if we are nominating the Camporeale twins. A lot of media today, and the fact we haven’t nominated them yet.

We do have till October. Or we are just acting low key about them?

Cause we know what’s coming. A SOS nomination in the 1st round to make us pay up.