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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:01 pm 
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I'm sure everyone remembers back in 1995, pre-leadership groups and Leading Teams... when the Carlton backline would get together to conjure up different things every match... like Sexton suddenly breaking forward and showing up on his own 30m out etc...
When the players really took ownership of the game plan.
Before the world went dark.

I guess the AFL then went through a phase where everyone just had to do what they were drilled to do.
And then we realised that the players need to be able to make good decisions and execute well in the heat of battle.


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 Post subject: Coach Brendon Bolton
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:17 am 
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Bolton pressure rating 6/10? Comedy gold.


Yeah it's top 8 or bust for bolts


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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Personally. I am at a stage that I thought I would never say this or even think it but I feel Bolton either plays the kids, develops them as AFL footballers and we see the 'green shoots' or he plays the 'experience group' and goes for wins. One has been tested and failed and will continue to fail with our current crop, therefore it's time for Carlton to do what other teams have done, play the bloody kids!


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Personally. I am at a stage that I thought I would never say this or even think it but I feel Bolton either plays the kids, develops them as AFL footballers and we see the 'green shoots' or he plays the 'experience group' and goes for wins. One has been tested and failed and will continue to fail with our current crop, therefore it's time for Carlton to do what other teams have done, play the bloody kids!


yep I agree
we have a core group of seniors (murphy, gibbs, kruez, simmo, curnow) and young mature players (doc, cripps, plowman) to teach and set an example for the young ones so we really need to stop playing dead wood
players such as white, the flower, jones, boekhorst even graham and rowe shouldn't get another game
we need to look to the future and put games into the kids (every single one of them), give them a few games at a time and break them in, build their experience, involvement and familiarity to what is expected and needed
give jaksch a good look at it and give him some confidence and belief that he is wanted and give him some responsibility, with him in the side you can do so much because of his size and athleticism, if not move on
we invested so much on him we need to do this for us a club just as much as for him as an individual player
we need to fast track our rebuild and giving the senior mids some respite and our young mids
some exposure we will be a lot better off by seeing who can handle the jump in intensity and then we will also review and evaluate what is type of player/s is needed in the future
we need to think like a new club such as gws or up to a point do what the dogs did the dogs did or (dare I say it) we need to do what the druggies did last year
we can't keep treading water time and time again


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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Agree with the sentiment. BB has stated we should look for the green shoots so he needs to play the kids for that to happen; with one proviso. We can't throw the kids in to be ragdolled, so for example none of our defenders at present are big enough to match Hawkins so Rowe should play when we play Geelong


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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carntheblues wrote:
Agree with the sentiment. BB has stated we should look for the green shoots so he needs to play the kids for that to happen; with one proviso. We can't throw the kids in to be ragdolled, so for example none of our defenders at present are big enough to match Hawkins so Rowe should play when we play Geelong



I don't disagree that rowe is needed more with this type of player but this is where the growth comes from within the younger group
you can rotate players off him, play a slightly modified game plan, even let the group make up their own plan of attack as they bond and support each other
this is where and how we grow for the future together


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 Post subject: Coach Brendon Bolton
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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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Body language reveals all. Thanks for sharing.

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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Personally. I am at a stage that I thought I would never say this or even think it but I feel Bolton either plays the kids, develops them as AFL footballers and we see the 'green shoots' or he plays the 'experience group' and goes for wins. One has been tested and failed and will continue to fail with our current crop, therefore it's time for Carlton to do what other teams have done, play the bloody kids!
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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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we need to think like a new club such as gws or up to a point do what the dogs did the dogs did or (dare I say it) we need to do what the druggies did last year
we can't keep treading water time and time again


GWS - won 3 games in its first two years and then 6 games in its third season. And they have consistently bolstered their young'ns with seasoned players - mostly what we would call hacks/list cloggers includng Carlton rejects such as Thornton and O'hAilpen.
They have massive draft and financial concessions which allows them to do all of this.

Bulldogs - 'suddenly' shot up to win a flag last year but they have been diligently rebuilding all through the McCartney years. And they too have a bunch of (role) players that, had they been at Carlton, we'd have been calling for their heads long ago.

As for Essendon*, they had no choice but also bolstered their team with old players to support the exposed young'ns.

So, sure - play the kids. But don't be fooled - most of the teams that successfully develop their kids, have them well supported by a core group of experienced, big bodied players.


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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17th Premiership wrote:
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we need to think like a new club such as gws or up to a point do what the dogs did the dogs did or (dare I say it) we need to do what the druggies did last year
we can't keep treading water time and time again


GWS - won 3 games in its first two years and then 6 games in its third season. And they have consistently bolstered their young'ns with seasoned players - mostly what we would call hacks/list cloggers includng Carlton rejects such as Thornton and O'hAilpen.
They have massive draft and financial concessions which allows them to do all of this.

Bulldogs - 'suddenly' shot up to win a flag last year but they have been diligently rebuilding all through the McCartney years. And they too have a bunch of (role) players that, had they been at Carlton, we'd have been calling for their heads long ago.

As for Essendon**, they had no choice but also bolstered their team with old players to support the exposed young'ns.

So, sure - play the kids. But don't be fooled - most of the teams that successfully develop their kids, have them well supported by a core group of experienced, big bodied players.


Perfectly true, it's all about obtaining the right balance for a positive sustainable development of the youngsters and team culture .
Yet sometimes we have to give in to the pressure of winning games or membership level requirements, natural consequences for our team's survival.
Go Baggers, I think will win by 12 points

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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:36 pm 
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I've always been of the view you play your elite kids. You don't hold them back.
If you don't have many kids in the team it means your drafting has been poor.
Simple as that really.
I'm not one for playing mediocre kids. If you do that it means you're desperate.


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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I've always been of the view you play your elite kids. You don't hold them back.
If you don't have many kids in the team it means your drafting has been poor.
Simple as that really.
I'm not one for playing mediocre kids. If you do that it means you're desperate.



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 Post subject: Coach Brendon Bolton
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Paddycripps wrote:
I've always been of the view you play your elite kids. You don't hold them back.
If you don't have many kids in the team it means your drafting has been poor.
Simple as that really.
I'm not one for playing mediocre kids. If you do that it means you're desperate.


This is why we have more playing this year than last year.

Playing Rainbow, Jakesh, Foster and Smith wasn't going to achieve much


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:49 pm 
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Sorry but that presser from Bolts today was just garbage.

If he actually believes what he's saying, I'm going cold on him. On the other hand if he was just rattling off some coach speak because he had to be there, then I won't bother with anymore pressers.


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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:56 pm 
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I dont think he is a very good coach

I'd hate to play in his environment , too much cliche and classroom bullshit.

I can imagine a lot of players being over it and tuning out.

Those Journey videos are cringeworthy.

Our team selections are shit

Our skills arent improving

Our game tactics are questionable

Simple things like having every player up in a marking contest with nobody staying down continues to happen all the time

Continue to see all players sucked in too deep at congestion so we get killed on the outside.

Its the same stuff over and over again

We aren't improving as a unit and any improvement we may see is due to an injection of better naturally talented players.

yeah its early days but i'm not liking what i'm seeing.

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dont think he is a very good coach

I'd hate to play in his environment , too much cliche and classroom bullshit.

I can imagine a lot of players being over it and tuning out.
If this were to be the case I'd have to wonder (given all the different coaching methods we've "tuned out" from) whether our team are just @#$%&! uncoachable.

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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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grrofunger wrote:
I dont think he is a very good coach

I'd hate to play in his environment , too much cliche and classroom bullshit.

I can imagine a lot of players being over it and tuning out.

Those Journey videos are cringeworthy.

Our team selections are shit

Our skills arent improving

Our game tactics are questionable

Simple things like having every player up in a marking contest with nobody staying down continues to happen all the time

Continue to see all players sucked in too deep at congestion so we get killed on the outside.

Its the same stuff over and over again

We aren't improving as a unit and any improvement we may see is due to an injection of better naturally talented players.

yeah its early days but i'm not liking what i'm seeing.



They just have to be so careful what they say these days. Not much is given away at any presser. What were you expecting? As far as selection goes, that is another matter all together. Some strange ones there, not to mention some of the on field structures. Not much cattle to work with though it must be said...

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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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I'm not talking about the presser

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 Post subject: Re: Coach Brendon Bolton
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grrofunger wrote:
I dont think he is a very good coach

I'd hate to play in his environment , too much cliche and classroom bullshit.

I can imagine a lot of players being over it and tuning out.

Those Journey videos are cringeworthy.

Our team selections are shit

Our skills arent improving

Our game tactics are questionable

Simple things like having every player up in a marking contest with nobody staying down continues to happen all the time

Continue to see all players sucked in too deep at congestion so we get killed on the outside.

Its the same stuff over and over again

We aren't improving as a unit and any improvement we may see is due to an injection of better naturally talented players.

yeah its early days but i'm not liking what i'm seeing.



You just became my spirit animal. i wasn't impressed with the hire, haven't been impressed with our on field performances ... the trajectory of the team's performances has not been rising.

the fundamental disposals and skills on gameday are just lacking and behind every other team. We're still an environment which allows passengers and poor body language.

I'm solidly of the opinion you need to have played afl, to coach it.


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