I get to this point of the week willing to bury the hatchet and give him a second/third/fourth chance. Then by the end of another loss I'm back at square one.

its not about round by round at this club

its about sustainability long term.

the club needs to have its psyche altered.

one thing most players will all admit its the first time they have had a guy with some presence in charge.
hes told them what they need to do.. and if they cant do it .. he will render them obsolete to this club.

i wouldnt be surprised of giggs is moved on now...
they are not to cruise anymore
hes never had a bunch of guys so happy with doing the absolute bare minimum..

thats why buttifant was chased so hard.. and the results will be revisited up the track.

this club has been running on fewer cylinders for a very long time... on and off field.

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Spot on, as much as i want to see us winning i'm at the point where i believe we are much better off getting to end of the season with 4 or 5 wins on the board rather than 10 or 11.

At least that way we will be looking at where we are in a more realistic manner, if we end up just missing the 8 or not too far from that it just serves to paper over the cracks.

The facts are we are nowhere near where we need to be as a club regardless of our ladder position at the end of the year.

It's actually frightening that the board needed to be told that.

Leadership/mental softness has been one of the biggest things holding us back on field for years.

We're like the handbags of Geelong c1990s, but without the regular September play dates.

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But isn't this in opposition to the Dr Strangelove mantra ...

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Well, he is 40.

I think Gibbs, and all his mates, should be shopped around. We need a clear plan to develop a list capable of playing regular finals football. With a mental hardness that is required to withstand the pressure those games bring.

You're right, the psyche needs to be altered in all facets of the club.

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Nah, I think papering over the cracks has gone. It's pretty clear now that shit has finally got real at Carlton.

If it hasn't now, it never will.

If we do get 10-11 wins the benefit there will be providing a springboard for future years, but it won't really mean too much beyond that.

At least we managed to be moderately decent during the compromised drafts while Suns/GWS were being setup.

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Depends on whether you are talking about what he is forced to say publicly to placate the supporters or what he thinks privately.

Unfortunately our supporters generally don't like to face reality, they would much rather think that we are so much better than what we are, don't want to entertain the thought of building towards long term success, and anyone that tells them otherwise is most likely going to be lynched

Use mick to rebuild the list and then swap him out at the end of his contract.
Get some picks this year for finishing low (not tanking just have an out of date gameplan), trading Gibbs and Yaz.
Get some next year for finishing low.
Do some clever trades.
Then with a bunch of freshly recruited young players we can either give mick another year to tell his war stories or bring in that years Ken Hinkley.

A fresh vibrant board will by then be bedded in and we go on to win loads of flags.

This.
They have been stockpiling GOOD picks for a while.
Their main issue was trying to hold on to interstate players while they were battling through financial problems & the lean Primus years.
Once they signed Trengrove, Boak, etc, they started to build momentum.

Also their list management has been better than ours.
Imagine if someone had said a couple of years ago we could prop up our forward line by getting Jay Schultz in, and by trading for Monfries.
They'd have been laughed out of Visy Park.
But those two players have done a job for Port at a bargain price (as much as I despise More Frees)


The coach gets the players working together,
but he needs the LIST MANAGERS to get it right for him.

Not to mention recruitment, which has already been discussed to death.

Most coaches will tell you that the game is 90% mental. And we are seeing it this year. Our players have lost complete confidence. Is that micks fault? Well yes he has to take some responsibility for that, but what is the cause? Is it injuries? Our preseason trip? The new players? The loss of Betts, Judd for the start? An unfit Kreuzer? Slow start by Daisy.? Not being able to take our chances with goal kicking at crucial times? Our captains poor form and seeming inability to have any major impact on the game. Gibbs contract?
These are all somehow giving the players problems and making them second. guess themselves.

But to judge mick on the first 4 games is fair enough, but needs to be harnessed into reasonable conclusions. His ability to coach and respond to, the current crisis is what counts. Its not the getting knocked down that counts, its the number of times and how you get back up on your feet that counts. Do we have the character in our playing group to respond? Our introverted players seem to have gone into their shell atm, but i feel that the loss to melbourne will invoke anger in our players and maybe that might just get the fire in the belly back. It could be the making of the player group. Our next game is going to be no gimme, but at least we arent facing Hawks geel or freo, Whilst the first 2 games were extremely disappointing they were predictable results. I give us 5/10 . the bombers loss was shocking , i give the side 1/10, But here is the rub, the loss of confidence from the bombers result lead directly imo to the loss to melbourne. The loss of Kreuzer, Robinson, Waite, Garlett, Bell, took away a lot of our hardness and competitiveness at the ball, something we seemed to lack against melbourne.
I expect mick to try to rebuild our players confidence this week, he willl be focussing on the ultra competitive first quarter against port, and the outscoring in the last 3/4's a against the tigers. The Essendon* game is one to be ashamed of and needs to be put behind us, and the melbourne loss , was a shell shock effect following from this. We can beat the dogs but need to play with confidence, and start kicking straight.
Over to you mick

I would drop waite for the rest of the year. Just woeful, that a guy with his talent could be so pathetic. Not part of our plans going forward. What is the point in playing him?

betts who is hardly known for training... is telling everybody he doesnt believe how hard training is....

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are you saying the Malthouse/Wiley regime is too soft on the players ?

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Why Collingwood Supporters Dislike Mick Malthouse
I used to respect Mick Malthouse, says Adam Hallinan. As the coach of Collingwood he delivered our 15th premiership, which we had been waiting 20 years for.
Opposition supporters just don’t get it. They are saying that we are average to treat a coach that delivered us a premiership with disdain. Let me try and explain our point of view.
In 2009 the now famous succession plan was signed off by Mick that would see him become the director of coaching for three years following the conclusion of the 2011 season, with Nathan Buckley taking over as senior coach. At that point in time Malthouse was the longest serving coach at a club ever without winning a premiership (10 years). In giving Mick another guaranteed 2 years as senior coach the ‘Pies were doing good by Mick. Yes we seemed to be in a healthy state at the time, but nobody looks back on losing preliminary finals as a success (or Grand Finals either going further back).
Under the plan, Nathan Buckley arrived at Collingwood for the 2010 as an assistant coach. Collingwood won the 2010 premiership, thanks mainly to the performance of the forward line, where intense pressure was applied to the opposition restricting the exit of the foot ball from Collingwood’s forward 50. The forward line coach in 2010 was…..Buckley. Coincidence?

What a crock of shit.

..it isn't all down to training coaches, ppl individually have to want to honestly improve.. ..too many players have just been going through the motions for too long.... ..if it all gets too hard, if it all becomes a challenge that is a little uncomfortable mentally as well as physically, the players sook it up.. ..its just easier to chase the miracle coach that will make them better, sans actual hard sustained work..

..cruise in matches, cruise in training, cruise in mental application.. ..think of the old saying about trench warfare and name players on our list you'd want beside you..

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lol i was looking for a nice way to say the same thing but i think u nailed it

yes he put his tracky dacks on, whistle in mouth and marched out onto the sludge in winter... and they didnt do enough laps.
Cordy was our fitness guy.... hes not here now.

Blokes were never dropped for being lazy...
Waite learnt from Fev and Lance and they followed him till Judd came... Judd at least was a good worker on the track and prepared his body as best he could... even if he didnt like doing mundane things...
But there was only one Judd with some kind of work ethic..but he didnt force people to follow... and neither did Jared .. but its easier to be lazy than have a hard work ethic.
Who follows Ed when you can follow Waite???




I told you who the hard workers at the club are....


Very few broke on through to the other side effort wise.

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agree it helps to hAve a decent admin but
Port were crap until Hinkley cAme along The guy has turned that club Around and he is exactly what this club needs