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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:41 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta


Good to see a post from Spooky.

I like your thinking.
We can turn this around pretty quick...if we get this right.

I think Walshy will commit to one team ethos, and captain one day.
No doubt we need capital for Dean.

But I like the options the Walsh trade creates.
My thinking is future picks come to play. Still have a full set to trade.
I do not want to lose Walsh. A grade mids are not easy to get.

As for your team, I'm hopeful Kemp could hold a spot and Elijah comes good again. Just.

I've gone past Fogarty and McGovern. Unless they are depth and bargain basement prices.

Looks like you're going to get a couple more picks to play with Acres and Motlop :thumbsup:

PS: Best available midfielder, small forward and Best available should be named in your team.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:44 pm 
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To have good list management you first must have a good list manager.
If we have to nuke the place and start again after him being 4 years on the job.
He should be the first person to go

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:53 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)


That's right Galty, can't target a FA, but we shouldnt be deterred trading next year's first rounder if there's a good reason.

I'm sure we could find the points for Walker.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:01 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta


Good to see a post from Spooky.

I like your thinking.
We can turn this around pretty quick...if we get this right.

I think Walshy will commit to one team ethos, and captain one day.
No doubt we need capital for Dean.

But I like the options the Walsh trade creates.
My thinking is future picks come to play. Still have a full set to trade.
I do not want to lose Walsh. A grade mids are not easy to get.

As for your team, I'm hopeful Kemp could hold a spot and Elijah comes good again. Just.

I've gone past Fogarty and McGovern. Unless they are depth and bargain basement prices.

Looks like you're going to get a couple more picks to play with Acres and Motlop :thumbsup:

PS: Best available midfielder, small forward and Best available should be named in your team.


I think Fog has suffered from the loss of Kennedy, Owies and Martin as much as anyone. His numbers for tackles and defensive pressure inside 50 are as good as anyone's. Just absolutely no-one else helping him in that respect, nor any good quality small forwards able to capitalize on it. Beyond that - he's not particularly quick or polished enough with ball in hand to offer much else.

He still offers something and its something no-one else is putting their hand up to offer.

Gov - sounds like he's activated another year anyway. I'd prefer to see him gone, but JSOS out, Kemp too many question marks coming back from a torn achilles. Moir probably taken his spot up forward. Ehh, it's complicated, and again, can't find anyone better (either to spend the cash on, or to fill the role)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:07 pm 
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Stephen Silvagni

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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta


Good to see a post from Spooky.

I like your thinking.
We can turn this around pretty quick...if we get this right.

I think Walshy will commit to one team ethos, and captain one day.
No doubt we need capital for Dean.

But I like the options the Walsh trade creates.
My thinking is future picks come to play. Still have a full set to trade.
I do not want to lose Walsh. A grade mids are not easy to get.

As for your team, I'm hopeful Kemp could hold a spot and Elijah comes good again. Just.

I've gone past Fogarty and McGovern. Unless they are depth and bargain basement prices.

Looks like you're going to get a couple more picks to play with Acres and Motlop :thumbsup:

PS: Best available midfielder, small forward and Best available should be named in your team.


I think Fog has suffered from the loss of Kennedy, Owies and Martin as much as anyone. His numbers for tackles and defensive pressure inside 50 are as good as anyone's. Just absolutely no-one else helping him in that respect, nor any good quality small forwards able to capitalize on it. Beyond that - he's not particularly quick or polished enough with ball in hand to offer much else.

He still offers something and its something no-one else is putting their hand up to offer.

Gov - sounds like he's activated another year anyway. I'd prefer to see him gone, but JSOS out, Kemp too many question marks coming back from a torn achilles. Moir probably taken his spot up forward. Ehh, it's complicated, and again, can't find anyone better (either to spend the cash on, or to fill the role)


Last bits make sense. Gov has activated something...better be cheap.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:13 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)


That's right Galty, can't target a FA, but we shouldnt be deterred trading next year's first rounder if there's a good reason.

I'm sure we could find the points for Walker.


Sam Flanders would be nice, addresses needs and probably available.

Not sure I'd want to take the risk two years' running of selling off a future first while not being in a position to play finals, and then needing to offload players to get Walker. Relies way too heavily on McKay, Curnow, etc bouncing back and still having currency, rather than turning into Trav Cloke..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:51 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)


That's right Galty, can't target a FA, but we shouldnt be deterred trading next year's first rounder if there's a good reason.

I'm sure we could find the points for Walker.


Sam Flanders would be nice, addresses needs and probably available.

Not sure I'd want to take the risk two years' running of selling off a future first while not being in a position to play finals, and then needing to offload players to get Walker. Relies way too heavily on McKay, Curnow, etc bouncing back and still having currency, rather than turning into Trav Cloke..


Sam Flanders over Motlop and Fogarty.

Wouldn't mind going into 2026 with Flanders and Williams as our two smalls, with Durdin and White as back up. Not sure about Fynn Young.

I don't expect other smalls Evans and Fantasia to be with us next year.

There's plenty coming out of contract next year who may give us capital for next year, this year: Saad, Walsh Williams Durdin, O Hollands, E Hollands, Boyd, Cowan, Fogarty, Young, Binns, O'Keeffe, Lord, Newman, and this year possibly Acres, Kemp, Motlop. Only need to cash in on a couple if we trade next year's first, this year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:11 pm 
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Is Flanders even a forward these days? I've not seen much of him this year since his injury, but last year he was very much on the defensive side of centre.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:41 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Ideally, package the two compo picks (TDK and JSOS) for GC's first two picks that they need to get rid of (currently 8 and 11).

I don't think the bid is going to be that high on Dean that Hawthorn's second, and whatever eventuates for Acres wouldn't be sufficient.

With the new points system I doubt that Brisbane's second (not Hawthorn's) and Acres would get close to enough points to match a Dean bid.
We could go into deficit for next year however this wouldn't be ideal as we might have our hands full trying to obtain Cody.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:02 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Is Flanders even a forward these days? I've not seen much of him this year since his injury, but last year he was very much on the defensive side of centre.


I'd prefer him off half back either way.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:28 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)

Yeah but we can still split future picks, trade them for players etc.
I'd be focusing on the latter, finding another free agent.


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Something new, Suzz? Or just a general reaction to our wonderful club?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 11:21 am 
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You all make it sound like Acres has been traded. Is this true? Where's he going?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:09 pm 
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I just watched Gettable and they talked about JSOS leaving.
They also said that his contract size has potentially created an issue with some players out of contract and might give clubs a way to get them.
The players mentioned were:
Jamie Elliot - UFA
Brody Mihocek - UFA
Jeremy Howe - UFA

If JSOS left we could always look at Elliot and Mihocek for some forward depth and leadership.
Both players 32 and know how to deliver when the pressure is on and also know what it takes to get to the big dance.
Wright would also have a relationship with them already and would know if they could make a difference.
If anything Elliot will bring some unsociable football to the club, something to think about anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:49 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
I just watched Gettable and they talked about JSOS leaving.
They also said that his contract size has potentially created an issue with some players out of contract and might give clubs a way to get them.
The players mentioned were:
Jamie Elliot - UFA
Brody Mihocek - UFA
Jeremy Howe - UFA

If JSOS left we could always look at Elliot and Mihocek for some forward depth and leadership.
Both players 32 and know how to deliver when the pressure is on and also know what it takes to get to the big dance.
Wright would also have a relationship with them already and would know if they could make a difference.
If anything Elliot will bring some unsociable football to the club, something to think about anyway.

Wright’s pre-existing relationship is why there’s potentially an issue.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
If JSOS left we could always look at Elliot and Mihocek for some forward depth and leadership.
Both players 32 and know how to deliver when the pressure is on and also know what it takes to get to the big dance.


So you're advocating that we follow the St.Kilda model of the 80's? Elliot turns 33 in August. Good bloke apparently, but no thanks. Mihocek has been offered a one-year deal, which should give you some idea of how long Collingwood thinks he has left. No thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:58 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
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If JSOS left we could always look at Elliot and Mihocek for some forward depth and leadership.
Both players 32 and know how to deliver when the pressure is on and also know what it takes to get to the big dance.


So you're advocating that we follow the St.Kilda model of the 80's? Elliot turns 33 in August. Good bloke apparently, but no thanks. Mihocek has been offered a one-year deal, which should give you some idea of how long Collingwood thinks he has left. No thanks.



Shit Kilda model of the 80’s might actually be better than the Carlton Model of the 21st Century.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:01 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)

Yeah but we can still split future picks, trade them for players etc.
I'd be focusing on the latter, finding another free agent.


Let’s say we we get a first round compo for FA TDK and UFA SOS: picks 8 and 26
We would lose the FA pick pick 8 if we recruit a FA
It’s fkd. We have to trade our picks to improve.

Rnd 2 olus 3&4 pick dean
Rnd 4 pick Cincotta
Rnd 5 pick ISON unless I’ve get a free hit as NGA

We have to Trade this year

2 x 2025. 1st round picks
1 x 2026 1st round pick…pay for Cody with other picks from trades or split 2027 1st
1 x 2024 pick 3 Jagga Smith

Add 4 desired players next year…best available, mid, small forward and best available and Jagga

We also need to have some lucky with a mature recruit surprise from a lower league Leave space for a SSP and an MSD and we could really improve our depth, probably with input from new coach.

Hopefully improve the best 23 with 5-6 Players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:12 pm 
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We wouldn't necessarily lose it but it would dilute the compensation depending on who we got.

Also curious to know what the rule would be here as far as which would be impacted first (the TDK or the JSOS compensation).


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