I'm not saying that at all if you bother to read my posts throughout this thread. But you're barking up the wrong tree by aligning an external review to constitutional reform - which isn't in the top 10 of the clubs problems.

I just posted a comment:

Fantastic player. I'm hoping he puts in place a new president that can lead us into the future and back to the top. Unfortunately he's been part of an administration that's badly managed our club and made a lot of bad decisions over the past decade. For example: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31763

So one more year of emptiness
just to celebrate our 150th
what a joke but not suprising
what new and innovative ideas will the board implement over their summer vacation
I know
I reunion of past premiership players
reminisce about those great marks Jezza took down the Heately Stand end
fire up for those Collingwood block busters and talk about how we beat'em in 79,81 and of course who can forget 1970
and that great mark Jezza took
renew relationships with fine upstanding men like Geoffery Edelston


About three years ago I went to a 30 year school reunion
Big mistake I had nothing in common with most of people there and wont go to another

In other words folks live in the present and plan for the future
thinking about the past is only productive when there are mistakes to learn from.

This board thinks in the past and sticks doesn't learn from his mistakes

As George Carlin said if you go through an average day of your life you will encounter
stupid people(Sticks)
people who are full of shit( Germinder)
people who are nuts or a combination of all three(take your pick)

This club is stagnant

Malthouse hasn't delivered the goods
so many of our players are sooooo over rated its not funny
we get another sheepdog in Daisy Thomas who has hardly played a good game in 2 years.
Everitt hasn't delivered much in a good side

If you look at it I can see the several sides improving next year who finished below us
Gold Coast
Adelaide
Bulldogs
North
If you want to be a supporter who wanks themselves to death after beating Richmond in a final which we were lucky to make theN be my guest.
That's not for me
the fact that kernahan is going o be our President for one more year is so pathetic but at the same time not suprising which to me as a supporter of this once great club is very sad.

To put it simply its bullshit and it doesn't seem to matter that other clubs are going ahead of us on and off the field

BECAUSE WE ARE CARLTON AND @#$%&! THE REST

Our esteemed leader is going to be on 5AA radio in SA tonight at about 5.15pm EDST onwards. Pretty sure it will be a fluff piece. Can't see Bone McDermott to push his mate Sticks too hard.

If you're interested have a listen on the following:

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/player.aspx

PS. FYI Ricky Ponting live in studio before that.

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When you celebrate a milestone year - it's pretty normal to live past glories. Carlton's 'history' is a fantastic one that ought to be celebrated. There's lots of great things planned - even for old grouches like you Keogh.

If I want to live on past glories I will go to you tube.

No keogh , read the club apologists whoever they are on this site....

Doc, we really want to relive past glories next year because there is a very good chance there isn't much hope for the future.









God I hope I am wrong. Sounding like Synners.

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I think you conveniently forgot who started this thread But you two are wallowing so deep in the mire of your Carlton negativity that even when the club does something good - you pan it!

The thing I don't get though is that you, and others, don't do anything to change it. TalkingCarlton - as great as it is to vent your frustrations, isn't the answer to your problems. Things won't magically change because you complain about them in the internet ether.

Write a letter, demand a response, turn up to an AGM. Ask a question during or after. Talk to staff. We have some good people in their who care about the club just like you do and aren't there just for the paycheck. There are ways and means. If you can't find the answer you're looking for - chances are someone has it.

I could tell you 10 good things that were happening at the club next year. But what's the use when according to you guys, everything is doom and gloom.

There ARE problems with the footy club. A lot of them have been listed in this thread. It hasn't operated across all areas as it should for some time. But change can happen, and whilst it's happening slowly - it doesn't dissuade me from buying a membership next year and getting involved. Believe it or not - some people are rolling their sleeves up and getting involved because they recognise there's problems too.

The Club has billionaires on the Board
The Club spends over $400K for Warnock in his first 3 years when he delivers no performances
The Club goes to the USA for training, whereas the sand dunes at Geelong are probably cheaper and better.
And $50,000 on a review with a quality change manager at the Club's cost cannot be paid by the Club?
I have heard that argument before....

Wow, Sayers and Fahour brought in to be successors, and they are brushed aside only adding to the board numbers!!!!!!! Why are they still there? Why is Gleeson still there? Why are the others there?

The only way we can get total reform of the board is to spill them and call for an extraordinary general meeting!!! If the pratts and mathisons control the board, show me where the accountability is for the decisions around recruitment & development? We will have one of the worst drafting records in the afl!!

Even Bitchmond, as bad as they were a few years ago, have recognised this and got their picks right!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

Part of the problem though Mos...Synbad has used the word 'Oligarchs' more than the Cubans - but because the Pratts and Mathiesons are paying off the debt nice and slowly - the club gets to be their little family play thing for a few years.



With the Giants' rules at the time being what they were, we couldn't leave him as an uncontracted player. It's one of the contracts I don't have a problem with. He was pretty good this year and will get better in the next two.



Are you the ghost of Bobby Davis?? I'm a fan of the Arizona trip. I have a cheaper alternative for them in the States, but Mick and David Buttifant like Arizona. It's a great tool to introduce new players to the team and expose them to training expectations and to work on training ethic and culture. Only problem I have is that it's not long enough. The school of thought is that you've got to be there for a month to help increase the red blood cell count.



You'd probably be wasting money. There are 83,000 books on Amazon devoted to change management and most studies still show a 60-70% failure rate for organizational change projects. What areas are you focusing on? You've probably got to do your homework a bit more and identify what areas are within the clubs control and what's already being done (that perhaps don't know about).

Statements like:

Malthouse has not delivered. Easy to write but just not fact. We finished 6th not 16th. He can't just ask walk in to Visy Park with a premiership cup and say "There it is..."

Billionaires on the Board. The billionaires are there to run the finances. They are not football people. The billionaires one way or another made us solvent and ensured we had a stadium.

USA training- Not sure you can do altitude training at Geelong.

Warnock on $400k. Please watch the last 3 finals we have played and balance your negativity with those performances.
Yes I would like him on the park more but his big game performances are up there with anyone in the league

Admittedly the club has suffered from a power vaccum. No one with vision wants the presidency. Agree, Sticks is a light weight, but no one has stepped up for 5 years. The job is on offer

Thanks.

For the record, are you a paid moderator?

Are you paid by the Club for any other activities?

Just like to know...

Again not fact. Fahour wouldn't stand once he understood that the role is 20 hours a week

YouTube or youporn?

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We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

What? ...hasn't your Modus operandi over the past few years been to get football back to Princes Park...something that would be detrimental to the footy club, but you and Surrey continue to run with it? I think you and I have differing views on what the clubs problems are and where they've got things right.

Cheers Doc,

Appreciate the response. Let's agree to disagree though, Chris doesnt seem to have the same concerns as some re the investments. He wanted the investment kept private and is seemingly happy with how his investment in a legal business performed. Whilst there are moral questions around pokies they are legal.

If we are going to concern ourselves with the morality of investments in football perhaps all alcohol sponsorship should be turned down due to the huge harm alcohol causes society? How would sport and sporting bodies look then?

Regards,

OR

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That's fine OR - I can see it from both sides. Ironically - the two incumbent VP's have both done (LoGuidice) or are currently (Trainor) business partners with the former skipper. Ryan Trainor and Judd are business partners in Jaggad - a sportswear company. They launched a few weeks ago.

http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/sport/sp ... wQ9CxaY8PN

Former skipper seems to be a canny businessman - future board member perhaps

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