Play Setanta back not forward, imagine Fev and Waite in the side with Setanta playing forward - he would just get in the way. Play him back and let him run forward!!!!!!! We have the forwards lets fix the backs and the on ballers.

I think he will make it, he works really hard to better himself, especially at training. I don't think he is ready to be playing regular senior footy, but i understand how another whole season with the Bullants could down his confidence, but he will understand what's best for him and the team.

Good point SSHHH

But Setanta has dominated in the VFL so he should be able to play AFL. Poor fella he seems to get stage fright in the AFL. He might just need to see a quack to sort himself out. I think he's close but not close enough yet.

Despite the extra muscle he gained over the pre season, I think he would need to add a bit more muscle to play as a mobile ruckman, or a defensive KP. His kicking for goal is not as effective as a natural forward's should. I don't think he's really a forward, unless he's playing in the square ala Alistair Lynch to enjoy close shots at goal. In that case he needs to put on even more muscle than he would as a ruckman, and take boxing lessons.

I like the Irish experiment, but he should be sorted before being exposed amongst the big boys like last Saturday. He does frustrate me but I guess I have no clue as to where he's at, nor what Carlton's coach wants him to become.

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I think that the coach and MC see DeLuca as a taller versaion of Scott Lucas. Can be a match winner but not in the brilliant class but servicable and on his day could kick a bag. Can play as a defensive tall and could play in the ruck and the club is giving him lessons with Dempsey

A mobile tall running left footed forward who is just starting his career and has yet to play 50 games. He gets too far from goal but given we are playing a chip and run game he leads up to create an option and is playing that role better. He did not seem sure of where to kick the ball on the weekend but that could also have something to do with no Fev and no Waite who demand the ball and have a lot of play go through them. However he wasn't the only player who made mistakes on Friday night.

I thought the Blues erred at the selection table and I stated before the game I thought we needed another runner and not another tall in the team. However in saying that the MC might have got it right if we had kicked straight in the third term.

Kouta should not have played but our two best forwards were out and the team needed him so he played and after 250 games he deserves to be held in the highest regard.

Russell is a youngster and needs to be given time whilst Setanta is a big bloke and they have a reputation for being slow developers. For his education I would like to see him play centre half back and full forward against Lance in every match practice and give Lance the role of tutoring him becuase with Barnaby, Dylan, Saddington, DeLuca, Lance and Waite in the team there is not a lot of room to include him in the seniors.

If Waite and Fev both return to the side then I think it would be Setanta and either Teague or Russell to make way. Saddington Whitnall and Thornton as the three key defenders and Waite Fevola and DeLuca as the three tall forwards. Seems to have more balance

I understand your point. However every time he has played he has been our key forward.
You have to be patient with these players, he wont come out in his second game and kick 10 goals. I agree he doesnt deserve to play every seniors game this year, but let him play when he is not our go to man so he is not doubled teamed in every contest. Every game he has played he has been thrown in the deep end as a lone forward. He needs become a Forward pocket and learn off fev. Once he masters that then he could be a Key Forward.

Who ever writes him off now should be a Richmond Supporter

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Fabulous makes a good point re-setanta....every time he has played, we have asked this novice to play a KP! There are not too many 1st pick draft choices that get blooded the same way.....let alone someone with Setanta experience - or lack of. A KP either forward or back is way to premature.

I would perservere with him in the firsts because he is quick, big and goes at it very hard. But where or where to play him?????

Bondi hit the nail on the head in his earlier post - the Wing! That is where another of our famous athletes (first) and footballers (second) was blooded i.e Kouta.

Let him run, run, run and defend defend defend....a great option to assist with the defensive side of our game through the middle.....it would be "gorillas in the midst" for opposition midfielders.

A point that some people have missed.
Tagdh and Stynes were Gaelic Footballers prior to playing AFL.

As the AFL have discovered this is akin to our game.

Setanta was a HURLING champion. For the uneducated majority this is an all ireland came that is similar to hockey and lacrosse.

Anyone now see the real problem.

Michael Jordan was a great b'baller and a shite baseballer.

Just because he can run and is an athlete doesn't mean he will ever be able to find the ball. There's more chance of that "girl" from the hammerheads being a senior footballer than him.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I think many here a bit harsh on Livingston..He is not in the same dud category as Prenda and Wiggins. He impressed in the ants game this week and played well in the game he was dropped for. I thin he is a better key defender option that Saddington who to me is just another dud. He dissapointed last week and does the same silly things we are trying to get rid of. Livingston played with sure hands and confidence and I would like to see him play. To me Livingston is even a better option than Thornton.

In: Fevola, Waite, Bannister, Livingston

Out: Setanta, Teague, Saddington and perhaps Russell(only for the time being).

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Tadhg is from kerry where football is the number one game. Setanta is from cork where we have a better tradition in hurling. His brother is a legend in Cork as a dual player it just happened that Setanta was better at hurling. Na Piarsaigh is more of a hurling club so maybe thats why he developed the way he did. Sean Óg played in hurling and football All-Irelands in 1999. Aisake played minor football and hurling with Cork in 2003. Setanta is a big hassle to any club footballer in Cork and if we still had dual intercounty players in cork all three of them would be considered for the Cork footballers . Before he left to go down under Setanta was offered trials for the Cork Senior Footballers

The swans took a gamble on a kerry minor footballer (Under 18's). Carlton took a gamble on someone who has played in the equivilant of the GF in Ireland and won Young Player of the year. Senior intercounty hurling is far more taxing than intercounty minor football. The gamble has payed off for the swans so why wouldn't it work out for carlton?

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Setanta Ó hAilpín 64 AFL Games 45 Goals

Up the Rebels All-Ireland Hurling Champions 2004/2005

Bumped into a footy journalist on Friday night. I commented that I wished Setanta's first efforts were as good as his second efforts. The journalist was very supportive of Setanta and pointed out that its taken Trent Croad a long time to learn how to play as a forward despite being brought up on footy.

I think we have to keep playing him, we've got nothing to gain by not playing him. He has the build and agility to be one of the best players on our list - what he needs is the education.

He's proven to be a fast learner - consider where he was 2 years ago, so put him in an accelerated learning environment.

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FWIW I would rather see Setanta play a block of games in the Firsts to acclimatise to the AFL. The guy has kicked bags of goals at VFL level and whilst the standard of VFL to AFL is wide you dont kick bags of goals if you have no idea about the game. I'm backing Setanta & Aisake to make it.

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He'll be much better when the oppositions attention is firmly on Fevola. Fev attracts 2, sometimes 3 defenders to try and stop his influence.

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The athlete turn footballer argument is a valid one to bring up in support of Setanta, and is an obstacle many have overcome.

The Croad example is a beauty; 5 years development and has only just made an impact with consistency in the past 2, after serving that apprenticeship. That's a long time, and he's peaking with a few good Finals campaigns ahead of him.

Kevin bloody Bohane, thanks for that information. Priceless. Add the Stynes story where it took the same amount of time as Croad to make it, and he was a tall kid that played junior footy in Ireland. So there's every reason to have faith and patience with The Brothers O'hAlpin.

It would do Carlton no harm to hold on an further develop Setanta and Aisake's potential over the next few years and enjoy the ride. 2 players on a list of 44 is not going to hurt us. It's worthy of a punt and a good news Carlton story.

The whole football world is excited and eager for that day he blossoms. So should we. Patience and understanding seems the order of the day.

Setanta to peak at around 22 yo in 2008
Aisake to peak at around 22 yo in 2009.

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well this little thread has been buzzing around for days now and i'm beginning to come around.

so here's a side that would be fun to watch develop.


Saddo T-Bird Carrots

JR Lance Houla

Setanta AB Simmo

Skinny Waite Fisher

Betts Fev Kouta


French Stevens Tex


McLaren Scotland Murphy McGrath

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Looks good to me. That's where Setanta belongs and where he'll develop faster over the next couple of years. After that the world is his oyster. He could be another Kouta but bigger.

DB has your page 2 team "The Ants" have Aisake elevated up to the firsts?

What a luxury having Lappin at HF and Tex on the ball.

Poses the question, if Setanta and JR makes something of those positions over a 6 week period, where would Kennedy fit in? Hartlett down the track...

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I have just watch the 1st qtr of the hawks game, and have been following this thread. I have to say I am disgusted with some of the views in here and the media. I dont think I was watching a different game so how anyone can say he is shite and not worth a place or a punt is unreal, some stupid punts in here, he is worth as much of a space as ADL and has played the game for much less a period of time. Yes he was lost at times but do really so few people think he wouldnt be with fev, Lance and kouta directing operations, after he kicked the wide he chased like a lunatic and it resulted in a goal, now, anyone will tell you that 10% talent and 90% effort, which about fits the bill, is worth far more than 90% and F**k all effort. I would like to see him get a few games under the belt from the bench and see how he goes. T

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Any chance of the link Beano? would love to see the game

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Up the Rebels All-Ireland Hurling Champions 2004/2005

http://diwana.org/ok.php?type=confirmed

Somewhere in here you will get it, Just register, right click on the torrent, save as and away you go, do you have bittorrent??? If not download it and you'll be grand. I also have the nab game V the cats downloaded, if i can figure out how to change codecs i'll post it on if not email budzy in here and he will give you a link

http://afltorrents.proboards80.com/inde ... rd=matches

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I'm dynamite
J.U.D.D
And I'll win that fight
J.U.D.D
I'm a power load
J.U.D.D, Watch me explode

I agree with your sentiments regarding Setanta Beano. A for effort , A for progress and A for potential.

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