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Zac Butters will be in Navy Blue Jumper in 2027. He will Walk Free and will cost us nothing. The AFL will deal with Compo Picks to Port. How bloody Exciting if this comes True!


It makes sense to me now that the Club are trying to free up as much Cap Space for him and maybe others! I totally forgot about him!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Am I right in saying we currently only have 2 list spots open for ND selections?

By my count, we’ve moved out 8 players and brought in 5 players. And assuming HoK needs to be elevated to the primary list, I think that leaves only two open spots.

I don’t think delisting F.Young, White & Monahan would open spots for ND selections because those guys are on the rookie list. I think the only primary list player without a contract is McGovern, but surely he gets a one year deal after we missed out on Khamis.

Is there a way we can move two of Binns, Boyd or E.Hollands (all contracted for 2026) to the rookie list? That would create spots for another ND pick and a DFA/SSP.

I’m hoping we walk away from draft night with Dean, Ison and a ‘live’ pick, with a spot up our sleeve for a DFA/SSP selection.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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We lost our best 3 players.


:lol: :lol: :lol: this is the best one yet :wink: :beer:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 11:54 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Am I right in saying we currently only have 2 list spots open for ND selections?

By my count, we’ve moved out 8 players and brought in 5 players. And assuming HoK needs to be elevated to the primary list, I think that leaves only two open spots.

I don’t think delisting F.Young, White & Monahan would open spots for ND selections because those guys are on the rookie list. I think the only primary list player without a contract is McGovern, but surely he gets a one year deal after we missed out on Khamis.

Is there a way we can move two of Binns, Boyd or E.Hollands (all contracted for 2026) to the rookie list? That would create spots for another ND pick and a DFA/SSP.

I’m hoping we walk away from draft night with Dean, Ison and a ‘live’ pick, with a spot up our sleeve for a DFA/SSP selection.

Rookie list rules have changed to allow for a 4th an 5th year, providing you’ve played fewer than 10 (I think) games. Whatever the number is, Skull is under it. So, we don’t have to promote him just yet.

I think we’ve got 33 under contract on the primary list, as it stands. So, that includes Elijah,but not McGovern.

We have seven on the rookie lists, which leaves us with four open spots. Three of them must be primary list.

I’ve got no idea where O’Farrell is at with his rehab, but late season ACLs are usually 12 months off. That could open up a 45th spot - either SSP or MSD.

Then there’s the AFL-funded indigenous spot. I’m not sure it’s in the spirit of the rule (like, are we talking Liam Jurrah out-the-back-of-Bourke indigenous, or Ryley Sanders hey-whadyaknow-I’m indigenous?)… but, we happen to have a couple of graduates coming out of the academy.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 11:55 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Am I right in saying we currently only have 2 list spots open for ND selections?

By my count, we’ve moved out 8 players and brought in 5 players. And assuming HoK needs to be elevated to the primary list, I think that leaves only two open spots.

I don’t think delisting F.Young, White & Monahan would open spots for ND selections because those guys are on the rookie list. I think the only primary list player without a contract is McGovern, but surely he gets a one year deal after we missed out on Khamis.

Is there a way we can move two of Binns, Boyd or E.Hollands (all contracted for 2026) to the rookie list? That would create spots for another ND pick and a DFA/SSP.

I’m hoping we walk away from draft night with Dean, Ison and a ‘live’ pick, with a spot up our sleeve for a DFA/SSP selection.
We had 36 on the primary list. We lost 7 and gained 5 over the last few months. So that leaves 34. We have room for two more. McGovern is without a contract and E Hollands was told to explore his options. Binns and Boyd would be nervous. If any of these go we will open up more list spots.

We have Picks 9, 11, 43 and 54. Dean will largely be covered by Pick 9. Ison won't be Pick 11. So we have an opportunity to draft another top 15 pick (depending on when Dean is bid on). Ison should be covered by Picks 43 and 54. So we need to delist one more player if we want to pick up three players in the ND.

We had 10 on the rookie list (8 Cat A and 2 Cat B). We only lost one in Cincotta. Ordinarily we would need to lose one more to get down to 8 in total. However, HOF will be on LTI list for most of year. So F Young, White and Charleson that are without contracts could all stay unless they wanted to open up a list spot for someone else in the PSD. I imagine they will delist one here or an extra one in the primary list. So that will leave four open spots in total.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:21 am 
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Yep. I understand people are sad to see Charlie go but the future looks bright IMHO.
6 first round picks over 3 seasons. The possibility to bring in 2 top 10 quality picks this year if we want, plus Ison. A top 3 pick from last year who hasn't played a game yet and arguably the best junior in the country walking in our door in 12 months. Add HOF who will be a gun as well, returning next year. We're well stocked with junior talent to propel the club in the next few years IMO.
You don't win games of football stocking up with draft picks. If that were the case GWS and GC would have dominated the last 10 years and west coast and North would be top 4 next year plus Carlton has had so many first round draft picks in the last 20 years our trophy cabinet should be full.
The teams that have been the most successful and put themselves in the mix nearly every year don't rebuild. Swans Pies Cats and you can possibly say Lions but they have been able to make use of F/S.

It astounds me that supporters still think flags are won in October and November

We had enough players of quality on our list to keep us in the mix for 8 years plus.
We got there for 2 or 3 years didn't win a flag and went back to searching for draft picks.

It doesn't work. We still think the manufactured equalisation system works and all the evidence shows it doesn't.

You need to stay there abouts keep topping up with established players and hope like hell the injury gods are on your side.

We will be bottom 6 for God knows how long

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:00 am 
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Great post BV agree entirely :thanks:
With Jagga Hoff Dean Ison Cody in the last and next few drafts we have brought in our next batch hopefully of stars before 27-29 drafts which will be heavily compromised by the Tassie inclusion

Plus we hopefully get the organic growth from Lord Wilson HOK carroll Moir to name a few

In the next rung hopefully Ollie and Cowan keep developing and Chesser should also hopefully be part of that list

Added to core of senior players by Ainsworth Hayward Florent acquisitions -all solid durable AFL players who have played finals come from well managed clubs and will help set standards and examples for young guys
We also for Once need a good run with injuries we were still the second worse team to Essendon* in respect to injuries foregone by our senior players this year


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:15 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
My gosh you all. Jack and TDK are no loss. Charlie will be, but it’s a catch 22 as he didnt chase and tackle and basically stopped when he didnt get the ball.

The last few games in which we won albeit against teams that didnt care showed more unpredictability going forward. McKay and the smalls better performed than if we had the two talls that ran into eachother all the time.

Jack was always injured. Yes he was better playing back but he is very slow but he was good a marking and actually defending. How long do you reckon he would have been that good playing back? Teams would be putting someone quick on him and show him up.

TDK good at roving the tap in the middle. Occasionally taking a spectacular mark. Was he good at tap work. ? Not really so much.

We have faster, more hardworking, and dynamic players coming. Who we need to wait to see if they gel.

Jaggy back in addition, and hopefully more run, run, run. Hopefully Reidy is hungry to take ruck 1 spot. That’s what he has been waiting for after all.

We haven’t performed for years. I think the senior players would be happy with our additions. And wont miss the ones that left.

Fingers crossed. It’s logical and what im hoping for.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:38 am 
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Current list which includes uncontracted who are still with us

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2026/carlton

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:48 am 
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malbi wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Am I right in saying we currently only have 2 list spots open for ND selections?

By my count, we’ve moved out 8 players and brought in 5 players. And assuming HoK needs to be elevated to the primary list, I think that leaves only two open spots.

I don’t think delisting F.Young, White & Monahan would open spots for ND selections because those guys are on the rookie list. I think the only primary list player without a contract is McGovern, but surely he gets a one year deal after we missed out on Khamis.

Is there a way we can move two of Binns, Boyd or E.Hollands (all contracted for 2026) to the rookie list? That would create spots for another ND pick and a DFA/SSP.

I’m hoping we walk away from draft night with Dean, Ison and a ‘live’ pick, with a spot up our sleeve for a DFA/SSP selection.
We had 36 on the primary list. We lost 7 and gained 5 over the last few months. So that leaves 34. We have room for two more. McGovern is without a contract and E Hollands was told to explore his options. Binns and Boyd would be nervous. If any of these go we will open up more list spots.

We have Picks 9, 11, 43 and 54. Dean will largely be covered by Pick 9. Ison won't be Pick 11. So we have an opportunity to draft another top 15 pick (depending on when Dean is bid on). Ison should be covered by Picks 43 and 54. So we need to delist one more player if we want to pick up three players in the ND.

We had 10 on the rookie list (8 Cat A and 2 Cat B). We only lost one in Cincotta. Ordinarily we would need to lose one more to get down to 8 in total. However, HOF will be on LTI list for most of year. So F Young, White and Charleson that are without contracts could all stay unless they wanted to open up a list spot for someone else in the PSD. I imagine they will delist one here or an extra one in the primary list. So that will leave four open spots in total.

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So the bottom line is that we only have two spots available going into the ND and SSP?

It’s not sounding good for McGovern and E.Hollands then. Unfortunately it’s sounding like they will get delisted to open two more spots on the primary list heading into the ND/SSP.

Is that a fair assessment?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Blue Vain wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Good point. Docherty made a comment that the senior players weren’t happy with the list decisions last year. Can’t really blame them. We had everything banked on this senior group and we didn’t see it through


They had their opportunity and it was the players who weren't capable of seeing it through. Docherty is a sook and Charlie has shown himself to be ones as well.
Good riddance. The club is here to build sustainable success. Giving players a chance to participate in finals isn't our mission. It's to build for premierships.
Personally I'm happy to see the back of a few of them.

Hayward will be great value. He'll play the Jack Martin role we missed badly this year. A mid sized forward who can impact in the air and is dangerous on the ground. People can talk him down but he's averaged over 30 goals per season the last 5 years. How many of our players have done that?
Wing has been an issue for us for a number of years and Florent/Chesser will be a great combination if Chesser can stay fit.
Ainsworth will be great value as well.
Put Ainsworth, Hayward, Florent, Chesser, Jagga, Newman, a fit Cerra, a fit Walshy, a stronger HOK and Dean into our 2025 team and it's significantly better IMHO.

The unpredictability ahead of the ball will be a huge bonus. People forget we were a top 4 scoring team in 2024. The capability is there. We didn't lose the ability to be a high scoring team overnight. It was structure.
We were too busy using our forwards to protect our leaky midfield which impacted our ability to have a strong, effective forward set up.
Get Jagga, a fit Walsh and a fit Cerra with quality and quick wingers around them, and our scoring power will quickly return.
I don't buy the doom. I'm hanging to see what we can produce in 2026.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2025 7:06 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
malbi wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Am I right in saying we currently only have 2 list spots open for ND selections?

By my count, we’ve moved out 8 players and brought in 5 players. And assuming HoK needs to be elevated to the primary list, I think that leaves only two open spots.

I don’t think delisting F.Young, White & Monahan would open spots for ND selections because those guys are on the rookie list. I think the only primary list player without a contract is McGovern, but surely he gets a one year deal after we missed out on Khamis.

Is there a way we can move two of Binns, Boyd or E.Hollands (all contracted for 2026) to the rookie list? That would create spots for another ND pick and a DFA/SSP.

I’m hoping we walk away from draft night with Dean, Ison and a ‘live’ pick, with a spot up our sleeve for a DFA/SSP selection.
We had 36 on the primary list. We lost 7 and gained 5 over the last few months. So that leaves 34. We have room for two more. McGovern is without a contract and E Hollands was told to explore his options. Binns and Boyd would be nervous. If any of these go we will open up more list spots.

We have Picks 9, 11, 43 and 54. Dean will largely be covered by Pick 9. Ison won't be Pick 11. So we have an opportunity to draft another top 15 pick (depending on when Dean is bid on). Ison should be covered by Picks 43 and 54. So we need to delist one more player if we want to pick up three players in the ND.

We had 10 on the rookie list (8 Cat A and 2 Cat B). We only lost one in Cincotta. Ordinarily we would need to lose one more to get down to 8 in total. However, HOF will be on LTI list for most of year. So F Young, White and Charleson that are without contracts could all stay unless they wanted to open up a list spot for someone else in the PSD. I imagine they will delist one here or an extra one in the primary list. So that will leave four open spots in total.

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So the bottom line is that we only have two spots available going into the ND and SSP?

It’s not sounding good for McGovern and E.Hollands then. Unfortunately it’s sounding like they will get delisted to open two more spots on the primary list heading into the ND/SSP.

Is that a fair assessment?

We need to drop at least one from the primary and one from the rookie list before the draft.
I'd think we'd only drop more from the primary list if needed to match picks with list spots - IE we probably replace that spot by redrafting or rookie promotion.
We can then add one back to the rookie during SSP over summer in lieu of HOF.
Any additional spots would require letting more go to create them.
I would not be surprised if we cut Elijah from Primary and also White and Young from the Rookie.
McGovern might keep his spot seeing we didn't get Buku.
Then those three plus maybe Phillips are training over summer for two rookie spots.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Thanks for that.

Is there a mechanism by which we can move contracted players from our primary list to our rookie list (thereby opening additional spots on our primary list for ND & SSP)? It would be great if we could do this with Binns, Boyd & E.Hollands.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
Thanks for that.

Is there a mechanism by which we can move contracted players from our primary list to our rookie list (thereby opening additional spots on our primary list for ND & SSP)? It would be great if we could do this with Binns, Boyd & E.Hollands.

There was provision for that as recent as 2020 so unless it's changed or was a one-off for COVID they can do it.
However our issue would still be that we have no vacancies in the rookie list either.
I doubt White or Young get cut so that Binns or other get moved down to the rookie list.
I'm pretty sure we'll only take the minimum three picks in the draft so don't think there's much need to open more spots other than we might need to hold four picks for the matching

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I"d love to know who the train on's will be . Not just our Club but all Clubs . Sorta lets you know what they are thinking .

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I agree Mick, Im curious to see also

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Arie Schoenmaker from the Aints has been let go.
Maybe a rookie for some depth in defence.
194cm only on a list for 2 seasons.
Played 3 games this year averaged.
16 disposals
12.7 kicks
5.3 marks
375m gained.

Not a gun but could be depth for a year at least.

From Aints site.
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The young defender was rewarded for strong VFL form in his first year at the club by playing four senior games. And he didn’t look out of place when he got his chance, averaging 15 disposals, five marks and 317 metres gained. Was a standout contributor for Sandringham, averaging 26 touches and six grabs per match. Heads into the final year of his contract on an upward trajectory.


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One of the best and longest kicks in this year's draft pool, Schoenmaker has a clear favourite weapon in his arsenal. His distribution off the last line of defence is as penetrative as anyone, able to clear the 50m arc with ease and hit targets at long-range. Especially in slow play, his ability to craft switch kicks or launch over the opposition zone is a real asset.


https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/arie-schoenmaker/


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Only turns 21 in Jan 2026. I have never seen him, but that left leg in the highlights was impressive.

What's the knock on him?

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