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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:31 pm 
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I wish the umpires were our biggest problem

There's a saying in MMA... never leave it to the judges

But we did even better... we threw in the towel in the end... like we've done for some time now

Injuries? yeah/nah, every team has them... not Fantasia levels though

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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:31 pm 
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Just watched the last quarter again. I advise everyone to do.
This f@#$&gn playing group don’t want it enough. Just no desire to win. Flower them


Nah, rather watch the Geelong game again.


I reckon you’re not quite living up to your signature there… :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 9:28 am 
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We’d be in the 8 now if we’d won this game with GWS/Bye/Essendon**/WC/North/Port in front of us.

That’s 8th, Bye, 10th, 18th, 17th, 15th over the next six weeks.
And instead we're 11 leading the logjam of 5 teams all on 5 wins.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 9:43 am 
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missnaut wrote:
GWS wrote:
We’d be in the 8 now if we’d won this game with GWS/Bye/Essendon***/WC/North/Port in front of us.

That’s 8th, Bye, 10th, 18th, 17th, 15th over the next six weeks.
And instead we're 11 leading the logjam of 5 teams all on 5 wins.


I hate to have to break the news but we only have four wins… :cry:

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 10:05 am 
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GWS wrote:
missnaut wrote:
GWS wrote:
We’d be in the 8 now if we’d won this game with GWS/Bye/Essendon****/WC/North/Port in front of us.

That’s 8th, Bye, 10th, 18th, 17th, 15th over the next six weeks.
And instead we're 11 leading the logjam of 5 teams all on 5 wins.


I hate to have to break the news but we only have four wins… :cry:
Maths has never been my strength...


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 10:11 am 
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Hornet wrote:
I wish the umpires were our biggest problem

There's a saying in MMA... never leave it to the judges

But we did even better... we threw in the towel in the end... like we've done for some time now

Injuries? yeah/nah, every team has them... not Fantasia levels though


Players played their guts out till the end. It was a tough slog. No one threw the towel in.
Our bottom 6 VFL players were carried, and we still only lost by 16 points at a ground every team struggles to win.

Based on your logic with injuries, we should make Finals.
Teams with 23 named players will make Finals, therefore, if we name 23 players we should make Finals too.

There's different levels of injury.

With SOS injured, Crippa rolling his ankle and Pitto only half fit, then add them to the 11 out injured compared to Swans who had 5 out injured, I know injuries continue to be our achilles heel thus far this year.

Losing SOS was an injury. That injury really stuffed up our structures.

We haven't lost a game playing with less than 8 out injured. We had 5 out injured against Geelong.

Don't underestimate the impact of injury.

Injuries do impact, especially when half your team is missing.

Only thing that stands out to me is that we didnt pay enough respect to Heeney (my favourite player outside carlton). Next time we sit Cincotta on him. Please.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 10:15 am 
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Another thing Effes has been onto the last 2 rounds is that Walshy has been down.
I didnt think he was last week, but I did notice on the heavy track he couldnt shake the heavy tag from Jordan.

Given we play (carry) at least 8 VFL level players, our stars have to shine to make up for the shortfall.
Cerra was great all game. He needed more support from Walsh.

I wish we tagged Heeney.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 11:20 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Another thing Effes has been onto the last 2 rounds is that Walshy has been down.
I didnt think he was last week, but I did notice on the heavy track he couldnt shake the heavy tag from Jordan.

Given we play (carry) at least 8 VFL level players, our stars have to shine to make up for the shortfall.
Cerra was great all game. He needed more support from Walsh.

I wish we tagged Heeney.

I wish we had a Heeney.
He is exactly what we are missing, a quick damaging mid that can go forward and be just as damaging.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 12:09 pm 
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And the lack of leadership on the field
The inability of someone to tag either Heeney or Warner
The lack of any tactics to change Walsh’s role to reduce the effectiveness of Jordan’s tag
Shocking ball movement
Pea hearts everywhere
Face it everyone
Our last year of footy has been putrid in terms of ball movement and leadership
How much more evidence do we need


I'm not quite as doomsday as Keogh. In fact, we rarely are on the same page but I can't argue with some of his points here. When we need our leaders to step up, they don't do it often enough when momentum goes against us.
Good leaders don't just show their mettle when times are good. It's when the tide is against you that they influence outcomes.

There's lots of comments about our bottom 6 and the performance of Evans, White etc. They're rookies. They're on minimum wages. They are not expected to win us games. They are there to supplement the list and to fill a minor role when required or to develop their deficiencies in the VFL. FWIW, I thought Evans was better than a number of higher credentialed players. He played on Blakey who had his lowest possession tally for the year. Evans did a job and did it well. White had a shocker but he has come a long way in a short time.

The fact is Warner and Heeney took the game away from us. It wasn't White or Evans playing on them, And they didn't just have "their moments". They both made solid contributions where our midfielders had plenty of opportunities to limit their outcomes and couldn't/wouldn't do it.
In the first quarter where we had some clearance ascendancy, it wasn't due to our ground level mids. Of our 9 clearances for the quarter, 8 of them came from Pitto and Harry. It's a pattern that our mids drop off too much and it has a severely detrimental impact on our outcomes. Collingwood second half, Adelaide belting, Sydney loss.

I wasn't at the game so I unfortunately can't give a more accurate assessment of the match ups out of screen but clubs are too often using the captains lack of accountability to beat us. The smart teams are realising you don't tag Cripps. You take away our inside/outside conduit (Walsh) and let your best player burn Cripps going the other way.
Heeney went to Cripps in the third quarter and won first possessions. He'd then drift forward and release a half forward to the midfield and do damage ahead of the ball.
In the last quarter we tried to limit Heeney with Hewett but Heeney once again went to Cripps creating a 2 on 1. It left a Sydney mid free so George had to drop off.
Crippa attended 96% of centre bounces Friday and had 1 centre clearance. It's not sustainable. in fact it's piss poor.
When he's being beaten we need to push him forward and give Lord or someone else the opportunity. He needs to be accountable and recognise his deficiencies. Don't wait for the runner to come out and do what's right for the team.
I felt for Cerra and Hewett. They bust their guts both ways for no reward.
We need to change it up more when we're being exposed. Crippa AND the coaches need to recognise he isn't superman.

So I wouldn't drop Evans. He did his job. He made mistakes but our million dollar a year full forward dropped a sitter in the middle of the ground in the last 4 minutes when the game was there to be won. Not to mention spraying a set shot from 30m, into the pie stand. Walsh again coughed up a defensive 50 stoppage goal and had minimal influence. The captain called Harry out from a ruck contest on the wing when Harry was there and proceeded to give away the free kick. Then failed to show any accountability for the game.
The lesser credentialed players are the easy target.

Good teams have good leadership. Being good in 2 phases of the game and totally disregarding the other isn't leadership.

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 12:46 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
And the lack of leadership on the field
The inability of someone to tag either Heeney or Warner
The lack of any tactics to change Walsh’s role to reduce the effectiveness of Jordan’s tag
Shocking ball movement
Pea hearts everywhere
Face it everyone
Our last year of footy has been putrid in terms of ball movement and leadership
How much more evidence do we need


I'm not quite as doomsday as Keogh. In fact, we rarely are on the same page but I can't argue with some of his points here. When we need our leaders to step up, they don't do it often enough when momentum goes against us.
Good leaders don't just show their mettle when times are good. It's when the tide is against you that they influence outcomes.

There's lots of comments about our bottom 6 and the performance of Evans, White etc. They're rookies. They're on minimum wages. They are not expected to win us games. They are there to supplement the list and to fill a minor role when required or to develop their deficiencies in the VFL. FWIW, I thought Evans was better than a number of higher credentialed players. He played on Blakey who had his lowest possession tally for the year. Evans did a job and did it well. White had a shocker but he has come a long way in a short time.

The fact is Warner and Heeney took the game away from us. It wasn't White or Evans playing on them, And they didn't just have "their moments". They both made solid contributions where our midfielders had plenty of opportunities to limit their outcomes and couldn't/wouldn't do it.
In the first quarter where we had some clearance ascendancy, it wasn't due to our ground level mids. Of our 9 clearances for the quarter, 8 of them came from Pitto and Harry. It's a pattern that our mids drop off too much and it has a severely detrimental impact on our outcomes. Collingwood second half, Adelaide belting, Sydney loss.

I wasn't at the game so I unfortunately can't give a more accurate assessment of the match ups out of screen but clubs are too often using the captains lack of accountability to beat us. The smart teams are realising you don't tag Cripps. You take away our inside/outside conduit (Walsh) and let your best player burn Cripps going the other way.
Heeney went to Cripps in the third quarter and won first possessions. He'd then drift forward and release a half forward to the midfield and do damage ahead of the ball.
In the last quarter we tried to limit Heeney with Hewett but Heeney once again went to Cripps creating a 2 on 1. It left a Sydney mid free so George had to drop off.
Crippa attended 96% of centre bounces Friday and had 1 centre clearance. It's not sustainable. in fact it's piss poor.
When he's being beaten we need to push him forward and give Lord or someone else the opportunity. He needs to be accountable and recognise his deficiencies. Don't wait for the runner to come out and do what's right for the team.
I felt for Cerra and Hewett. They bust their guts both ways for no reward.
We need to change it up more when we're being exposed. Crippa AND the coaches need to recognise he isn't superman.

So I wouldn't drop Evans. He did his job. He made mistakes but our million dollar a year full forward dropped a sitter in the middle of the ground in the last 4 minutes when the game was there to be won. Not to mention spraying a set shot from 30m, into the pie stand. Walsh again coughed up a defensive 50 stoppage goal and had minimal influence. The captain called Harry out from a ruck contest on the wing when Harry was there and proceeded to give away the free kick. Then failed to show any accountability for the game.
The lesser credentialed players are the easy target.

Good teams have good leadership. Being good in 2 phases of the game and totally disregarding the other isn't leadership.


Well said BV :clap:

I've mentioned this before, why does Cripps ruck when he does not need to? He does his best work on the ground, why risk injury? I can understand near the goals as he can grab and kick a goal but he should do no ruck work anywhere else on the ground.

Also, Elijah was struggling, I would like to see him play out of the goal square, he's very good one on one plus he knows where the goals are - mix it up.

We are very predictable.


anywhere else on the gori

And on the note of injuries, remember they had Papley, Gulden, McDonald and Mills missing.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 4:28 pm 
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evans was actually pretty good i thought. he fell away badly in the 4th ... so obviously doesn't quite have the afl tank. but that will come. evans could take over from fog who seems to have regressed/ aged pretty suddenly after that last injury late last year (broken wrist, wasn't it?)


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 5:07 pm 
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BV mentioned Evans was on Blakey which I had expected but watching on TV it seemed White was next to him mostly

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Cooper Lord Rising Star congratulations

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Cooper Lord is the Round 10 Rising Star!

⭐ 19 disposals
⭐ 5 inside 50s
⭐ 400 metres gained

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 7:31 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Cooper Lord is the Round 10 Rising Star!

⭐ 19 disposals
⭐ 5 inside 50s
⭐ 400 metres gained

Well done, he's had a couple of good games in a row now.
The only positive light this year with our kids.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 7:54 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Cooper Lord is the Round 10 Rising Star!

⭐ 19 disposals
⭐ 5 inside 50s
⭐ 400 metres gained

Well done, he's had a couple of good games in a row now.
The only positive light this year with our kids.

And he's not a long bomber . He lowers his eyes . Always tries to hit a target .

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 9:06 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
BV mentioned Evans was on Blakey which I had expected but watching on TV it seemed White was next to him mostly

I was at the game and I mostly saw Young lining up on him in the first half, then it was Boyd in the third quarter. We seemed to let him run free in the last.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 9:09 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Cooper Lord is the Round 10 Rising Star!

⭐ 19 disposals
⭐ 5 inside 50s
⭐ 400 metres gained

Well done, he's had a couple of good games in a row now.
The only positive light this year with our kids.

And he's not a long bomber . He lowers his eyes . Always tries to hit a target .


:thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 11:27 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Cooper Lord is the Round 10 Rising Star!

⭐ 19 disposals
⭐ 5 inside 50s
⭐ 400 metres gained

Well done, he's had a couple of good games in a row now.
The only positive light this year with our kids.

And he's not a long bomber . He lowers his eyes . Always tries to hit a target .


2nd and 3rd efforts with runs is something I like as well. Some of his kicking has been sublime. Great pick.


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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 11:57 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
I wish the umpires were our biggest problem

There's a saying in MMA... never leave it to the judges

But we did even better... we threw in the towel in the end... like we've done for some time now

Injuries? yeah/nah, every team has them... not Fantasia levels though


Players played their guts out till the end. It was a tough slog. No one threw the towel in.
Our bottom 6 VFL players were carried, and we still only lost by 16 points at a ground every team struggles to win.




Lost 4 of 5 home games before we shat the bed. Including to Port.

Stop with the delusion.


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