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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:10 pm 
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Carroll went from 17 possessions, 5 inside 50s vs North to 9 possessions 4 inside 50s vs Port.

He would have to make way for someone.

Lewis Young seems to lack the inner confidence. He had 1 rebound 50 and 3 hit outs. 3 free kicks against. When used as a spare part ruckman, he didn't contribute much.

They would be the two I would look at replacing.... probably Motlop as well. If only Zac Williams was fit.

So my outs would be Carroll, Young, Motlop and Cunningham (injured).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:32 pm 
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Of the 400 game players, Boomer Harvey and Michael Tuck are the only ones who had a win in their 400th game. This is a non factor.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:59 pm 
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It would be an honor playing in a team with a player reaching 400 game benchmark, only a handful of players in the history of our game have reached this distinction .
One would think it would inspire and motivate the team to do their very best on the day.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:29 pm 
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When we lost to Collingwood earlier in the year, Saad and McGovern didn't play and I remember we struggled with the transition from defensive 50. Our mids were also a bit 'flat' and didn't cope well with Collingwood's defensive pressure. Williams had a poor game in defence we also had some non contributors in Fantasia, Durdin and a couple of others. This time around I'm hopeful that we will be better prepared and if so, should get the job done on Saturday night.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:29 pm 
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For me the Geelong game is our blueprint. Not because we won but because of the way we won. Pressure on every ball carrier at every opportunity. Collingwood did it to us earlier in the year. We have to be relentless.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 7:34 am 
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Humpers wrote:
When we lost to Collingwood earlier in the year, Saad and McGovern didn't play and I remember we struggled with the transition from defensive 50. Our mids were also a bit 'flat' and didn't cope well with Collingwood's defensive pressure. Williams had a poor game in defence we also had some non contributors in Fantasia, Durdin and a couple of others. This time around I'm hopeful that we will be better prepared and if so, should get the job done on Saturday night.



i feel like the only way we win is coming out breathing fire, and then sustaining it for 4 qtrs. we've done that exactly once this season - the cats game. every other game we've played for 1 or 2 qtrs and then gone into our shell.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:09 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Humpers wrote:
When we lost to Collingwood earlier in the year, Saad and McGovern didn't play and I remember we struggled with the transition from defensive 50. Our mids were also a bit 'flat' and didn't cope well with Collingwood's defensive pressure. Williams had a poor game in defence we also had some non contributors in Fantasia, Durdin and a couple of others. This time around I'm hopeful that we will be better prepared and if so, should get the job done on Saturday night.



i feel like the only way we win is coming out breathing fire, and then sustaining it for 4 qtrs. we've done that exactly once this season - the cats game. every other game we've played for 1 or 2 qtrs and then gone into our shell.

Yes last time against the Pies we only played well for the 1st quarter.
Against Melbourne I felt we played well for 3 qtrs but fell away badly in the last.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:05 am 
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Cincotta has to sit on Nick Daicos everywhere imo.

Chinka has the speed and discipline and the strength to do well in that battle. I don't mind Nick leading Chinka to the ball.



Imagine the uproar in the AFL world if Cincotta gave Daicos the same treatment that Walsh gets every game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:00 am 
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We have a lot of problems at the moment
We play too direct.
We ranked 11 th for marks inside 50 with both McKay and Curnow down there.
This is because we are too predictable moving it in to our forward 50
Then there is scores from stoppages
We are first when it comes to scores from stoppages as far as the opposition is concerned in the last 5 games.
Last Friday night Travis Boak stood outside the apex of the stoppage
9 times he pumped the ball inside their forward 50
That’s a damming stat.
Whilst there is too much reliance on Cripps and Walsh at the minute and clearly a lack of leg speed many of our problems are due to poor coaching and/ or poor execution.
We need to fix up
Our ball movement so it isn’t in a straight line all the time and stop the opposition from scoring so easily from stoppage


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:37 am 
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Wojee wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Cincotta has to sit on Nick Daicos everywhere imo.

Chinka has the speed and discipline and the strength to do well in that battle. I don't mind Nick leading Chinka to the ball.



Imagine the uproar in the AFL world if Cincotta gave Daicos the same treatment that Walsh gets every game.



i wish we didn't care about these things and played a little more 'unsociably' ...voss himself was one of the most 'unsociable" going around. maybe it kills him how nice we are?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:23 pm 
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keogh wrote:
We have a lot of problems at the moment
We play too direct.
We ranked 11 th for marks inside 50 with both McKay and Curnow down there.
This is because we are too predictable moving it in to our forward 50
Then there is scores from stoppages
We are first when it comes to scores from stoppages as far as the opposition is concerned in the last 5 games.
Last Friday night Travis Boak stood outside the apex of the stoppage
9 times he pumped the ball inside their forward 50
That’s a damming stat.
Whilst there is too much reliance on Cripps and Walsh at the minute and clearly a lack of leg speed many of our problems are due to poor coaching and/ or poor execution.
We need to fix up
Our ball movement so it isn’t in a straight line all the time and stop the opposition from scoring so easily from stoppage


We know what our best looks like. We just need to do that for longer... and make sure our bad isnt as bad as it has been. It comes down to conditioning. Hopefully we see that coming to the fore over the next few weeks to get the wins for the top 8 spot. Id rather we be primed for Sept and cop some losses now than graft our way to top 2 or 4 but hit Sept with waning energy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:42 pm 
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club29 wrote:
keogh wrote:
We have a lot of problems at the moment
We play too direct.
We ranked 11 th for marks inside 50 with both McKay and Curnow down there.
This is because we are too predictable moving it in to our forward 50
Then there is scores from stoppages
We are first when it comes to scores from stoppages as far as the opposition is concerned in the last 5 games.
Last Friday night Travis Boak stood outside the apex of the stoppage
9 times he pumped the ball inside their forward 50
That’s a damming stat.
Whilst there is too much reliance on Cripps and Walsh at the minute and clearly a lack of leg speed many of our problems are due to poor coaching and/ or poor execution.
We need to fix up
Our ball movement so it isn’t in a straight line all the time and stop the opposition from scoring so easily from stoppage


We know what our best looks like. We just need to do that for longer... and make sure our bad isnt as bad as it has been. It comes down to conditioning. Hopefully we see that coming to the fore over the next few weeks to get the wins for the top 8 spot. Id rather we be primed for Sept and cop some losses now than graft our way to top 2 or 4 but hit Sept with waning energy.


I think we've copped enough losses now. 3 of the last 4. At some point you have to stand up and show you're not just making up the numbers. Unfortunately, our Backline is so poor that if the midfield doesn't defend, we just leak scores. We're a bottom 4 defence with a top 2 attack. You don't win premierships with that profile. We've become victims of our own lack of foresight once we lost Liam Jones.

I don't understand why we seemingly ignored our lack of KP defenders. Either that or vastly overrated Young's ability and Marchbank's ability to get in the park.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:20 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
club29 wrote:
keogh wrote:
We have a lot of problems at the moment
We play too direct.
We ranked 11 th for marks inside 50 with both McKay and Curnow down there.
This is because we are too predictable moving it in to our forward 50
Then there is scores from stoppages
We are first when it comes to scores from stoppages as far as the opposition is concerned in the last 5 games.
Last Friday night Travis Boak stood outside the apex of the stoppage
9 times he pumped the ball inside their forward 50
That’s a damming stat.
Whilst there is too much reliance on Cripps and Walsh at the minute and clearly a lack of leg speed many of our problems are due to poor coaching and/ or poor execution.
We need to fix up
Our ball movement so it isn’t in a straight line all the time and stop the opposition from scoring so easily from stoppage


We know what our best looks like. We just need to do that for longer... and make sure our bad isnt as bad as it has been. It comes down to conditioning. Hopefully we see that coming to the fore over the next few weeks to get the wins for the top 8 spot. Id rather we be primed for Sept and cop some losses now than graft our way to top 2 or 4 but hit Sept with waning energy.


I think we've copped enough losses now. 3 of the last 4. At some point you have to stand up and show you're not just making up the numbers. Unfortunately, our Backline is so poor that if the midfield doesn't defend, we just leak scores. We're a bottom 4 defence with a top 2 attack. You don't win premierships with that profile. We've become victims of our own lack of foresight once we lost Liam Jones.

I don't understand why we seemingly ignored our lack of KP defenders. Either that or vastly overrated Young's ability and Marchbank's ability to get in the park.


There is winning streak Carlton and slump Carlton. Almost two diffferent teams. Slump Carlton doesnt apply pressure. Looks tired. Doesnt run hard enough (cement legs) and leaves the backline under extreme pressure for long parts of games. Winning streak Carlton is brutal, running on top of the ground, high pressure rating for much longer than slump Carlton. The defense doesnt have a problem at that point and is great at absorbing the heat when the oppo team has their short periods of momentum.

Hopefully we taper off and rest over the next week or two and get winning streak Carlton fired up for the finals.


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The_Cranium wrote:

I don't understand why we seemingly ignored our lack of KP defenders. Either that or vastly overrated Young's ability and Marchbank's ability to get in the park.



it's a really good point.

i think we went too hard against our cap signing a slew of longterm talent at premium prices ... and this was done on the proviso that kemp, marchbank and young would be enough alongside weiters, and our slew of HB flankers.


the flankers are good. but kemp and young haven't developed and marchbank came here cooked physically and not up to the rigours of afl, and has only cemented that theory.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:22 pm 
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that's the infuriating way we play when pittonet and tdk play at the same time. we abandon all run and carry, in a team that does very little of it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:45 pm 
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club29 wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
club29 wrote:
keogh wrote:
We have a lot of problems at the moment
We play too direct.
We ranked 11 th for marks inside 50 with both McKay and Curnow down there.
This is because we are too predictable moving it in to our forward 50
Then there is scores from stoppages
We are first when it comes to scores from stoppages as far as the opposition is concerned in the last 5 games.
Last Friday night Travis Boak stood outside the apex of the stoppage
9 times he pumped the ball inside their forward 50
That’s a damming stat.
Whilst there is too much reliance on Cripps and Walsh at the minute and clearly a lack of leg speed many of our problems are due to poor coaching and/ or poor execution.
We need to fix up
Our ball movement so it isn’t in a straight line all the time and stop the opposition from scoring so easily from stoppage


We know what our best looks like. We just need to do that for longer... and make sure our bad isnt as bad as it has been. It comes down to conditioning. Hopefully we see that coming to the fore over the next few weeks to get the wins for the top 8 spot. Id rather we be primed for Sept and cop some losses now than graft our way to top 2 or 4 but hit Sept with waning energy.


I think we've copped enough losses now. 3 of the last 4. At some point you have to stand up and show you're not just making up the numbers. Unfortunately, our Backline is so poor that if the midfield doesn't defend, we just leak scores. We're a bottom 4 defence with a top 2 attack. You don't win premierships with that profile. We've become victims of our own lack of foresight once we lost Liam Jones.

I don't understand why we seemingly ignored our lack of KP defenders. Either that or vastly overrated Young's ability and Marchbank's ability to get in the park.


There is winning streak Carlton and slump Carlton. Almost two diffferent teams. Slump Carlton doesnt apply pressure. Looks tired. Doesnt run hard enough (cement legs) and leaves the backline under extreme pressure for long parts of games. Winning streak Carlton is brutal, running on top of the ground, high pressure rating for much longer than slump Carlton. The defense doesnt have a problem at that point and is great at absorbing the heat when the oppo team has their short periods of momentum.

Hopefully we taper off and rest over the next week or two and get winning streak Carlton fired up for the finals.


If "winning streak" Carlton doesn't turn up in the next week or two we likely won't be playing finals.

Watched Dogs v Sydney game on the weekend, really pissed me off seeing Jones starring for the Dogs. Gee, could we use him down back, if only he hadn't been an anti vaxer. We saved his career too. Could hardly get a game as a forward at either club until we tried him down back.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:58 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
that's the infuriating way we play when pittonet and tdk play at the same time. we abandon all run and carry, in a team that does very little of it.

Not true.

Again.

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Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
that's the infuriating way we play when pittonet and tdk play at the same time. we abandon all run and carry, in a team that does very little of it.

Not true.

Again.



ahh mate ... you're off your chops.


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Does that include after a stoppage if we create one?

How many times do we get a stoppage after a long kick?

Does a lost 1st posession get far? Does a won 1st posession get far?

Do we win it back and win the second posession?

That Tweet needs more info.


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