Braithy wrote:
urgh it is that bad. wins/ loss mean nothing to you?
Absolutely. We need wins to make the Finals, and we will. We need wins to finish top 4, and we will. We want to finish top 2, and we will. We are a team who is on the same page. Its a team game. We have a squad mentality. I expect us to play Prelim, GF, and win the Flag with Pitto or TDK as the sole ruck, as long as the sole ruck isn't maimed during a do or die Final. The squad is that good.
the teams which play 2 rucks, also really importantly from a strategic pov, only have one key forward, and the resting ruck will be a competent forward who can and will create contests for their smalls, or jag goals (collingwood model).
we have two top 5 key forwards in the game, which makes us an absolute outlier and why it's important to run with 1 ruck. I dont see the logic. How did you come to that conclusion?
pittonet's shortcoming is his lack of impact and involvement around the ground, in his first game back from injury when he played 50% yes, but every other game, including VFL he has been fit and getting all around the ground. Have a look at your posts after the GWS game, everyone should check their posts from that game, and the Swans game. GWS were undefeated till we came along and showed teams how to break them down.
in part due to his poor stamina and slow, lumbering running. see above he's a serviceable backup.
but if we lost tdk to injury, and had to run solo with pittonet, i can't see us making a gf. with tdk, i can see us winning it. with two rucks and 3 key forwards, we're not even making a prelim in my eyes.
Some can't see it. Some can.
Some don't want to see it. Some want to see it.
A lot of Carlton fans still don't believe Carlton can win a flag because of the past 2 decades of failure. Its understandable.
Can you see us winning the GF if our sole ruckman is maimed in the GF? I can, because I've seen that movie before.
For those who remember what happened in the 1973 GF, and the 1993 GF when Sheedy led teams planned to take out our most important players and succeeded ... well it happens. Once bitten twice shy.
If you've played in GF's you would have seen the same.
I played in a few Premiership teams in the 80's and saw the planning that went in to do the very same. One bloke put his hand up and took out the opposition's best player, which started a big brawl, but we won. Happened in 2 different GF's at 2 different clubs. There's no send off rule in Aussie Rules. No one cares what happened in the past except who the winner was.
Remember the 2004 GF when Alistair Lynch threw all those haymakers at Wakelin? 5 or 6 of them, hoping to land one in the right spot. He was unsuccessful taking him and his team lost. Lynch didnt know how to take out a player, but lots do.
If TDK was the sole ruck in a GF, I would have every player bump and hit TDK at every opportunity, like Lamb did to Mills at the Swans all those years ago. I would also have one or two of my teams toughest players who are likely to take him out early as possible.
I know its not nice, and I'm a nice guy, but there's a thing called white line fever, and if there's a do or die game and at stake is a Cup with your name, and your best mates names indelibly etched in history, that your kids will cherish, if you win ... blame it on that.
Ask others around you what they have seen in Aussie Rules GF's. Its not a church. There's no tomorrow. Think about it. I can guarantee Vossy does. I bet Vossy will have his own ideas in a GF.
this is dire reading.
it's not the 80's anymore mate ... it's 2024 and the game barely resembles the 80's; 90's or even early 00's product. you can't attack players like you could; it's much more faster and skilful and the blueprint to winning comps is turnover and pressure and playing as fast as possible. all the things we don't do with two rucks.
and for the love of god, old sport ... stop acting like you have voss on speed dial in your 1999 nokia 3310. bcos like the 2G network, your ideas and the game you remember is gone.
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