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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:27 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
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jake_h03 wrote:

Any news on Kennedy?

Last weeks injury report said he was close to playing against GWS. Give him the sub spot next week.

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kezza

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:47 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm
Posts: 14963

Bookie wrote:

Acres scan shows nothing serious

This is the best outcome we could have hoped for.
Strap it up and a 12 day break, he will be fine.

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Rod Spooky Galt

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:51 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:31 pm
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The brave move would be Pitto for Harry. Can't say Pitto's form in the last month makes me want to support it. If it was JSOS available I'd be calling for it. Durdin makes way instead.

Doc for Fish. Dow unfortunately makes way for Cripps on team balance.

If we'd been smart with our selections this week I'd have considered Boyd. Three weeks suspended, a month in the VFL and two weeks doing nothing, you can't play a final off that preparation.

Motlop or Dow sub depending on the conditions.

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jake_h03

Post subject: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussion)

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:58 pm

John Nicholls

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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

Motlop has to start. Our most dangerous small forward and has the most tackles inside 50 by some distance

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:03 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am
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jake_h03 wrote:

Any news on Kennedy?

Trained last week so I assume he would okay

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:16 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am
Posts: 1495

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Acres fit makes a big difference to selection

IMO allows Docherty to play back. Means Fisher out and do we pick Boyd or Cincotta to play on Papley?

Best. News. Ever.

Acres, Docherty, Walsh & Cottrell to drive our transition.
Cincotta is the man for Papley.

B: Newman Weitering Cincotta
HB: Saad Kemp McGovern
C: Docherty Hewett Acres
HF: Walsh Curnow Cottrell
F: Motlop McKay Owies
R: Pittonet Cripps Cerra
I: Cuningham Martin Fogarty De Koning
S: Kennedy

IN: Docherty, Motlop, Pittonet, Cripps, Kennedy
OUT: Fisher, Dow, Durdin, Hollands, Marchbank

Dow if Kennedy can’t go. Hollands unlucky, but we have to lean into the stoppages.

Don’t mind it. Question is who is the 7th defender?

Given the balance I would have Dow over Cuningham and DC as Sub

Having the two rucks is an advantage but it does limit our options. We need to fit in an extra defender.

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ScottSaunders2

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:21 pm

Bob Chitty

Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:40 pm
Posts: 893

Cazzesman wrote:

I rate the views of many on here and a few said they thought Harry did okay.

I'm not one of them. I thought he was very average and each time he went into the ruck I thought we looked all at sea. I'm pretty sure the 3 quick goals to GWS in the 2nd were when Harry was in the ruck.

I prefer the Pitto/TDK rotation and leave Harry to give Charlie some support.

Fish doesn't do it for me. Yesterday's brain fades convinced me......It's a No from me
Kemp v Marchy. I'm going to stick with Kemp only because he is more of the future than Marchy and he had been part of the 9 game winning streak.

Ins - Pitto, Cripps, Doc, Mots,
Outs - Fish, Durds, Fog, Holland.

Holland or Marchbank sub.

I'm confident Acres will be right and Doc to the other wing.

Pretty much the same team as Crusaders but Dow in for Fog. I'd love Kennedy in the team for his grunt but his time out of the game worries me in a hot final.

Regards Cazzesman

100% ... i love what harry does, but he isnt a ruckmens asshole. i dont mind it when its up in the forward line, that makes sense, but not at the centre square. he was pants in that period. feel like we used this game to try a couple of things i.e. Harry in the ruck, Kemp up forward (prob forced due to injury) ... but we experimented a little i feel.

hollands is stiff ... real stiff ... he gives everything, and will be a 200 game player for us ... but ... at times, too easily pushed off the ball. super kid though. his endevour is fantastic.

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sinbagger

Post subject: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussion)

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:06 pm

John Nicholls

Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:18 pm
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Location: Australia

bondiblue wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

Its time to get the band together for Finals.

I expect Pitto- TDK is Vossy's preference (and mine during Finals) to be back as business as usual.

I was impressed to see Harry pushed into the ruck, to see what happens (like Vossy said). I don't want to see that again during Finals.

I want 2 KPF's: a CHF and a FF, all the time, and we have Harry and Charlie to do that. So do it!

I notice on footy forums and in conversation there's a real preference to get Boyd back over Fisher to play defense. I'm really disappointed Boyd wasn't given game time in the last 3 weeks, like [url]all[/url] the other players (including depth) have enjoyed. Fisher was never going to be a loose player in defense during Finals. It does not happen.

Kempy wasn't great, and have felt all along he's been playing well, but is still serving his apprenticeship (developing). Ive enjoyed watching marchbank improve by the week and looked good when he came back on.

Weiters will be free to play, maybe pay a fine.

I'm assuming Acres will be right to play.

Cripps - Dow
Docherty - Hollands
Pittonet - Fogarty
Boyd - Fisher
Motlop - Durdin
Marchbank - Kemp

If Acres doesn't get up in 2 weeks, Hollands is in the team.

Sub Kemp.
Emergency Dow Hollands Fogarty

Dow, Kemp and Hollands unlucky.

I couldn't disagree more about Dow & Kemp

Kemp has been very good and Dow has been so important the last 6-8 weeks. He add some run and dash that Cripps Heweet don't have. Allows us to use Walsh and/or Doc on a Wing or even forward

Midifeld dominance is the key. Cripps Hewett Cerra Walsh & Dow as our core is our stength

Marchbank has done nothing to earn a spot and his disposal is poor

I didnt say Kemp has been playing badly. I dont think he played well yesterday, whereas Marchbank didnt play well last week, but looked good yesterday.
I'm going with experience for the next Final. Both good players. In the end I don't mind either way. I will leave that to Vossy.

Just because you keep saying Marchbank hasn't earned a spot, Voss keeps selecting him. Must be something in that. Marchbank's kicking yesterday was fantastic. I don't know why you would say it was poor. Some of those long passes....wow. How many intercepts did Marchbank have in 37% game time? Was he really as bad as you say? Was Kempy better than Marchbank yesterday? Maybe I missed something.

Its going to be hard to fit in the squad of 30 who all (except Boyd) have seen a bit of game time in the last month.

It will be interesting to see where the 'undroppables' Dow and Fisher are picked to play, if they are. Dow was good. Fisher has been, well, a spare in defense. But he's a fan fave because of his stats.

At this stage, we are all right with our teams, till the teams are selected.

Boyd has played two full VFL games in the last month, so he’s not that underdone that he couldn’t be selected.

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Crusader

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:08 pm

Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:04 pm
Posts: 7537
Location: Bendigo

FarmerBlue wrote:

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Acres fit makes a big difference to selection

IMO allows Docherty to play back. Means Fisher out and do we pick Boyd or Cincotta to play on Papley?

Acres & Docherty have always been our best option for the extra defender.

Cuningham is a forward half midfielder that knows when to be trying to create from inside the stoppage, or outside defending to create another. Dow has never shown any aptitude for forward play or, truth be told, match awareness in general. He’s had a good run, but we need our sharpest minds out there.

I don’t like playing two rucks when they’re both the same type of ruck. The only side I can think of to make it work is Richmond in 2019 with Nankervis & Soldo. They were able to get it done with just Nankervis in 2017, but we’re destroyed by Grundy & Cox the following year & 2020 was shortened quarters.

All throughout, they were absolutely MANIC on pressure & spread. At our best, we’re a bit like that, but not enough.

Geelong played three rucks last season. Again, they were absolutely cut throat at creating turnovers & punishing on the spread - so much so, they plonked their 2nd ruck at CHB.

Gawn played 90% game time and had Jackson at CHF.

It’s the variety that makes it work… but, what other option do we have?

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tommi

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:15 am

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:24 am
Posts: 40291
Location: seaside

Hey….

is it Friday the 8th yet….?

kindest regards tommi

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17th Premiership

Post subject: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussion)

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:12 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am
Posts: 2751

I’m pretty sure PommyinOz stated that we’ve won every match this year when Pitto & TDK have both played.
Did he say this and if so, is it true??

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Sydney Blue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:57 am

Alex Jesaulenko

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17th Premiership wrote:

I’m pretty sure PommyinOz stated that we’ve won every match this year when Pitto & TDK have both played.
Did he say this and if so, is it true??

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bondiblue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:02 am

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
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Location: Bondi Beach

Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

You have to watch the interview with Pitto on that show run at pubs by the Carlton MC on you tube. Sorry no link.

Once you watch that, and think of the parallels with Vossy's game plan mantra of contest contest contest, and his constant use of the word "brutal" to describe finals, you will understand what Pitto does for the team as opposed to what he doesn't do. He's a weapon. Ask Gawn. Ask TDK how Pitto 'softens' the big ruck before TDK goes for him.

I'm an anabashed fan of 2 rucks in Finals.

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bondiblue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:03 am

Alex Jesaulenko

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Sydney Blue wrote:

17th Premiership wrote:

I’m pretty sure PommyinOz stated that we’ve won every match this year when Pitto & TDK have both played.
Did he say this and if so, is it true??

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Lost 7 when only 1 played

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That supports the argument for 2 rucks

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17th Premiership

Post subject: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussion)

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:50 am

Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am
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Sydney Blue wrote:

17th Premiership wrote:

I’m pretty sure PommyinOz stated that we’ve won every match this year when Pitto & TDK have both played.
Did he say this and if so, is it true??

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Lost 7 when only 1 played

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Thx

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:27 am

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am
Posts: 1495

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Acres fit makes a big difference to selection

IMO allows Docherty to play back. Means Fisher out and do we pick Boyd or Cincotta to play on Papley?

I don't disagree but that would be a big change to what we have done over the past two months and we know what works and works well. Changing things looks like panic

I'd argue Geelong didn't play any rucks and haven't for years

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:35 am

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am
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Sydney Blue wrote:

17th Premiership wrote:

I’m pretty sure PommyinOz stated that we’ve won every match this year when Pitto & TDK have both played.
Did he say this and if so, is it true??

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Lost 7 when only 1 played

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Difference was McKay was missing as was Jack.

The key point is we have gone in with THREE talls (Ruck/Fwd) when we have won. Bringing in Pittonet then means we have FOUR with TDK Charlie & McKay and it hasn't worked. The loss of another runner really hurts our balance and pressure

TDK played 81% on the weekend and looked good. It's his most effective role. Surely McKay, Cripps, Kennedy? maybe Weitering Kemp & McGovern in defence can cover the other 15-20%? Maybe not even have one?

I understand the option of Pittonet as it will help one area but IMO it really changes what has worked and takes away from our strength in the last 2 months

No finals side is carrying TWO genuine Ruckman and even Melb have gone away from Gawn/Grundy who are both excellent Rucks. They are now using Van Rooyen to fill the 20% and are playing better

Losing Jack has really hurt us

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:56 am

Harry Vallence

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Some Stats re: Talls (Fwd/Ruck) played since the Bye when we have been winning

Hawks won by 62 points - Young Charlie Jack
Freo won by 53 points - Young McKay Charlie (Jack)
Port won by 50 points - TDK McKay Charlie (Jack)
WCE won by 71 points - TDK Charlie (Jack)
Pies won by 17 points - TDK Pittonet Charlie
St Kilda - won by 19 points - Pittonet TDK Charlie
Melbourne - won by 4 points - Pittonet TDK Charlie
GCS - won by 4 points - Pittonet TDK Charlie McKay
GWS - LOST by 32 points - TDK McKay Charlie

ONLY once during this time we have gone with 4 Talls. To do it in a Final would be a major change

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Blue Vain

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:27 am

Stephen Kernahan

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Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Acres fit makes a big difference to selection

IMO allows Docherty to play back. Means Fisher out and do we pick Boyd or Cincotta to play on Papley?

Acres & Docherty have always been our best option for the extra defender.

Docherty and Acres are your wings who have a bench/Cottrell rotation. We almost always play with a 7th rotation defender.
After doing it all year, I cant see us going into a final without one. Other than that, I think the team looks good.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Fog or Cuningham make way for Boyd or Marchbank.
Otherwise Docherty goes back into the defence rotation and Hollands stays wing at a half forwards expense.

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FarmerBlue

Post subject: Re: Elimination Final: Carlton v Sydney (pre-match discussio

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:48 am

Harry Vallence

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Blue Vain wrote:

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Crusader wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

Acres fit makes a big difference to selection

IMO allows Docherty to play back. Means Fisher out and do we pick Boyd or Cincotta to play on Papley?

Acres & Docherty have always been our best option for the extra defender.

True. The issue is Cincotta got thrashed by Daniels at the weekend. The ball was coming in easier but he struggled. Can he play on Papley? Cincotta is 187cm and Papley is 178cm. I don't like the matchup. Fisher is 175cm and poor definsively and Boyd is 182cm

I know Boyd hasn't played much but he can come in and lock down. Free's Saad and Newman.

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