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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:13 pm 
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Since hearing about these injuries I have done some extensive research on what has caused this.
A) just unlucky
B) SOS recruiting injury prone hacks
C) long term high price contracts caused injuries
D) playing surface is not right
E) time to burn Russel at the stake
F) players playing to young and bodies not allowed to develop
G) it's the boards fault
H) Voss game plan of contested football
I) the curse still hasn't been lifted
J) soft cap
K) all of the above

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:19 pm 
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WOW wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
WOW wrote:
Unfortunately, this is what happens when you recruit and persist with injury prone players

Even without injuries, I think our list is overrated

With long term injuries to key players we have little hope


Interesting ! care to elaborate .


Limited midfield
Heavily reliant on Curnow and McKay
Early draft picks have generally been disappointing
Players such as McGovern, Marchbank, Williams, Martin and Cunningham are best 22 players but injury prone. Some of those players are on significant contracts.
Current preseason has been an unmitigated disaster on the injury front (again)
A poor injury run has been a constant for the last 20 years
Team is getting older. Cripps is now 27 turning 28.
Rebuild commenced in 2015. Yet to make finals after 8 years.
Haven’t finished in top four for 22 years.
Plowman is still on list and getting games.


Shit , i shouldn't have asked .No , thanks for the answer . The concerning part of your answer is the early draft picks being so so . Think that what is hurting . Really hoping this latest batch make there mark ..........................

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 10:50 pm 
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Can't agree on the limited midfield WOW. Our midfield depth and ability is better than most. As for the team getting older, we probably have less 30+ players than most as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Thankyou Carlton for the annual reminder that I am emotionally over-investing....
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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:08 am 
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WOW wrote:
Unfortunately, this is what happens when you recruit and persist with injury prone players

Even without injuries, I think our list is overrated

With long term injuries to key players we have little hope


Agree with you for once
Think about it
What has Williams done in his first 2 years
Was given an opportunity as a mid in his first year and was shit
Second year body failed him
So no great loss
His first year he clearly wasn’t fit enough and his calf and Achilles couldn’t handle the training loads in his second year
Late 20s it’s bad luck for the guy but it’s one of the reasons you don’t give a guy a 4.8 million contract over 6 years when there 26 years of age
Philip was given a 2 year contract extension based on 2 games
Martin’s body obviously can’t handle training loads
Mc Govern was given a 5 year contract despite 43 games over 6 years at The Crows

Personally I don’t believe any player should get a 6 year contract for obvious reasons
So O’ Brien will get the nod given Boyds rooted
O’ Brien should have gone 2 years ago


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:38 am 
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rhino27 wrote:
I'm with you, getting less bullish about our prospects by the day.
Question now is, how do we cover Zac W?
Does Cowan get an early opportunity as some have floated?
Does Doc have to go back now, Acres play a more inside mid role and Hollands gets an early go on a wing?
Does Doc go back and we tell Dow, this is your big opportunity. You got at least the first month to prove that you're up to the task and really want it?
Does Jack M (assuming he doesn't get injured again) get more mid time and we play all of Motlop, Durdin and Owies forward, with Doc going back? Or even Durdin getting more midfield time?

Thoughts?


I just got off the floor. FMD.

Nice to read this post.

Here lies our answers: options, opportunities ... another preseason under their belts...its a long season for every club.

Walsh, Boyd and Cottrell will be back. Cottrell earlier than Boyd (hopefully). No idea about Walsh, but glad he's building up.

Expecting 2nd half of the season to be better for us than last year.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:39 am 
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LOB to the rescue again! :D


Our 24-th-30th players are very important as they are for every club.

LOB has a role to play.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:55 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
WOW wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
WOW wrote:
Unfortunately, this is what happens when you recruit and persist with injury prone players

Even without injuries, I think our list is overrated

With long term injuries to key players we have little hope


Interesting ! care to elaborate .


Limited midfield
Heavily reliant on Curnow and McKay
Early draft picks have generally been disappointing
Players such as McGovern, Marchbank, Williams, Martin and Cunningham are best 22 players but injury prone. Some of those players are on significant contracts.
Current preseason has been an unmitigated disaster on the injury front (again)
A poor injury run has been a constant for the last 20 years
Team is getting older. Cripps is now 27 turning 28.
Rebuild commenced in 2015. Yet to make finals after 8 years.
Haven’t finished in top four for 22 years.
Plowman is still on list and getting games.


Shit , i shouldn't have asked .No , thanks for the answer . The concerning part of your answer is the early draft picks being so so . Think that what is hurting . Really hoping this latest batch make there mark ..........................


We had a good year in 2022 despite up to 16 out injured at the same time, and we won a couple games with a dozen out.
This year hasn't even started. Season start is 40 days away.
We can't write off Kemp, Carroll, LOB and Honey.
Williams is a HBF...did we draft any HBF's who have failed. Do we have potential great HBF's draftees playing in a different spot.
Walsh is a mid and he will be back by round 5, and we have cover in there.

I agree our depth would have been better if SOS had more success with his choices, but that's in the past.

The inevitable return of Walsh, Boyd and Cottrell will make a huge difference.

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 Post subject: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:38 am 
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I would be heading to St Mochtas in Louth and having a word with the Irish lad to see if he is interested in returning

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:57 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Since hearing about these injuries I have done some extensive research on what has caused this.
A) just unlucky
B) SOS recruiting injury prone hacks
C) long term high price contracts caused injuries
D) playing surface is not right
E) time to burn Russel at the stake
F) players playing to young and bodies not allowed to develop
G) it's the boards fault
H) Voss game plan of contested football
I) the curse still hasn't been lifted
J) soft cap
K) all of the above

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I'm going with:
A) definitely (esp re Marchbank - pretty sure he wasn't injury prone at GWS?, Walsh, Docherty)
B) to the extent that he was prob a tad optimistic about how McGovern, Williams and Martin would 'change their ways' if he came to Carlton. Similar to Nick Kygrios, poor training/care standards and attention to detail leads to soft tissue injuries. Less so re Williams' ACL.
D) Maybe. Should be looked into although for years our ground was considered one of the best playing surfaces? (And Williams did his ACL in Qld...)
J) Definitely. Well, I'd just rephrase it as 'Soft KNEE Cap' and then we get Newman & Charlie under this category.
L) Dumb shit - which def captures Curnow and possibly Weitering trying to bump De Goey at full pace (brave yes, and he did stop that goal that looked inevitable but... sacrificed the rest of his (and our?) season.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:31 pm 
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Our home ground with a concrete base is the major issue with the foot injuries. I have raised this plenty of times. Our kids bodies have been destroyed by playing them early. There is only so much their bodies can absorb at such a young age.

I know some will try to divert it to our training ground but that is farcical, as we have used that ground for decades and even resurfaced it of late. Anyway just believe what you want.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:36 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I would be heading to St Mochtas in Louth and having a word with the Irish lad to see if he is interested in returning

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Byrno

No harm in trying again.
HIf he was gettable we couldve got him as a rookie or a Cat B?

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:55 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Since hearing about these injuries I have done some extensive research on what has caused this.
A) just unlucky
B) SOS recruiting injury prone hacks
C) long term high price contracts caused injuries
D) playing surface is not right
E) time to burn Russel at the stake
F) players playing to young and bodies not allowed to develop
G) it's the boards fault
H) Voss game plan of contested football
I) the curse still hasn't been lifted
J) soft cap
K) all of the above

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I'm going with:
A) definitely (esp re Marchbank - pretty sure he wasn't injury prone at GWS?, Walsh, Docherty)
B) to the extent that he was prob a tad optimistic about how McGovern, Williams and Martin would 'change their ways' if he came to Carlton. Similar to Nick Kygrios, poor training/care standards and attention to detail leads to soft tissue injuries. Less so re Williams' ACL.
D) Maybe. Should be looked into although for years our ground was considered one of the best playing surfaces? (And Williams did his ACL in Qld...)
J) Definitely. Well, I'd just rephrase it as 'Soft KNEE Cap' and then we get Newman & Charlie under this category.
L) Dumb shit - which def captures Curnow and possibly Weitering trying to bump De Goey at full pace (brave yes, and he did stop that goal that looked inevitable but... sacrificed the rest of his (and our?) season.


Marchbank was injured when we got him !!
McGovern also had a history with injury as did Martin.
Williams too I think?
Look beggars can't be choosers. The quality talent we can lure from rival clubs came with buyer beware tags attached.

Outside of that the 3 foot related stress fractures is the other obvious trend.
Is it really the surface? Is the club that stupid?

Either way it is pretty fkn unprofessional, all these injuries.
I don't believe in bad luck when the trend is sustained.
We have had the off season to get players right and every day we hear of another injury.
If we get more then it will seriously hinder our chances in 2023.


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:18 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Since hearing about these injuries I have done some extensive research on what has caused this.
A) just unlucky
B) SOS recruiting injury prone hacks
C) long term high price contracts caused injuries
D) playing surface is not right
E) time to burn Russel at the stake
F) players playing to young and bodies not allowed to develop
G) it's the boards fault
H) Voss game plan of contested football
I) the curse still hasn't been lifted
J) soft cap
K) all of the above

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I'm going with:
A) definitely (esp re Marchbank - pretty sure he wasn't injury prone at GWS?, Walsh, Docherty)
B) to the extent that he was prob a tad optimistic about how McGovern, Williams and Martin would 'change their ways' if he came to Carlton. Similar to Nick Kygrios, poor training/care standards and attention to detail leads to soft tissue injuries. Less so re Williams' ACL.
D) Maybe. Should be looked into although for years our ground was considered one of the best playing surfaces? (And Williams did his ACL in Qld...)
J) Definitely. Well, I'd just rephrase it as 'Soft KNEE Cap' and then we get Newman & Charlie under this category.
L) Dumb shit - which def captures Curnow and possibly Weitering trying to bump De Goey at full pace (brave yes, and he did stop that goal that looked inevitable but... sacrificed the rest of his (and our?) season.


Marchbank was injured when we got him !!
McGovern also had a history with injury as did Martin.
Williams too I think?
Look beggars can't be choosers. The quality talent we can lure from rival clubs came with buyer beware tags attached.



AFL is a physical game, and the pace is faster when compared to the past.
I expect injuries, and I think every player experiences them at some stage.
Some players get through their early career with small niggles but front up every week, only to experience soft tissue injury towards the back end of their career.

If we are to take a guess as to why we experience long term injuries, then, for the first time, I think there may be something in that highlighted line. We were beggars for a long long time.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:56 am 
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Look at the bright side of Williams injury, if there is one.

JSOS was looking as if he could be pushed out of the team. Could be a good HBF. Reliable, good mark, determined, give him a try.

Another is Kemp. I have been saying for ages he deserves a run of senior games. Here is his chance.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Also….

what if…WHAT if…the kid we picked up for this
exact position…comes in after a few games and
destroys it…?

every season there are a few kids who KILL it first
up for other teams…why can’t Cowan be one of them…?

fingers crossed…!


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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:13 am 
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tommi wrote:
Also….

what if…WHAT if…the kid we picked up for this
exact position…comes in after a few games and
destroys it…?

every season there are a few kids who KILL it first
up for other teams…why can’t Cowan be one of them…?

fingers crossed…!


kindest regards tommi

Thanks tommi for letting the cat out of the bag. I am seriously thinking of Cowan in my Fantasy team.

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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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Fair enough too….

i like his shoulders…!


kindest regards tommi





Also…we need to discuss why you’re keeping cat’s in
bags Mr Hopkins…!

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