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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:43 am 
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McKay featured tonight On The Couch.

Wearing ripped jeans, joking around calling Garry "Gaz" several times.

Would've thought we'd have a media blackout after the last few weeks.


Got to be kidding, I would have preferred complete blackout too
He also said that regardless of whether they play finals this year has been a successful one.

Typical carlton embracing mediocrity

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That's not what he said. See my previous post.



Chinese whispers ... that's typical Carlton supporters do when they aren't happy ... preferring to forget the root of the problem (injuries), forget the CEO's KPI to win 12 games, forget the huge wins, forget the year of transition, forget we have improved, forget the new talent uncovered (Young/Boyd/Motlop/Durdin), forget we found out more about our First Round Draftees: Dow, LOB, Setterfield, Fogarty (what depth) ... the same people who now expect us to make Finals with 3 of our Fab 5 missing from the contest, with no ruck to put the ball to their advantage.

The sky is falling.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:46 am 
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He's getting crucified because he got asked if our year would still be a success if we missed finals, and his answer was "no matter what happens we've taken a step forward this year"

Of course the Carlton fans have interpreted that as him saying he doesn't care if we miss finals lol.

Why oh why did we put him on tonight.

I haven't seen it yet, but until I got to your post I assumed he was just laughing, joking, being smug and couldn't care less if we made finals or not.
I agree, we shouldn't let any players talk until after the end of R23/end of our season.



Easy to fix your problem: don't watch.

I loved hearing what he had to say.

We are talking about our Coleman Medallist who is coming out of contract and a RFA.

I'm glad he sees the good in what the club is doing.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I just watched McKays appearance on "The Couch".
I thought he was brilliant. He thought before he opened his mouth, he was articulate, honest and gave a personal insight into the club and its workings.
Couldn't have been more impressed.



He was cool at a time when there's a media circus going on around him.

Cool as a cucumber.

He highlighted how far we've come this year, and that IS a positive.

I've just seen the clip of when he was asked if we don't make the finals and would he see that still as success.
I think the issue was that it was a leading question with the incorrect word being used in response.
Most people define success as the final outcome of what you are trying to do.
And in our case that is playing finals football.
He may have been better off not using success and instead saying, we have achieved a major step forward................
I think this is what has some of the supporters riled up.
Either way, his intent and what he was trying to articulate was the same and I have to agree with him.
It has been a great year so far in getting the club back on track and we are infinitely better than last year both on and off of the field.
Good effort in an easily gone wrong interview.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:09 pm 
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As much as I'd be extremely disappointed to see Cripps miss 2 games, I love the opportunity that these moments present to players.
Some players can't or don't have the ability to show their full potential when they're in the shadow of star players but when they're presented with opportunities, they step up. I recall a match a few years ago against in Freo where Cripps and McKay were out injured and we lost Charlie in the first quarter. Ed Curnow who had been playing as a stopper was required to be our inside, ball winning mid.
He had 16 clearances and played a huge game. 30 something disposals, plenty of defensive pressure and we won the game.
That's what can come from opportunity.

Dow was poor on the weekend but this week if Cripps misses, this is his week. Voss needs to stand him up in front of the group and tell him he's the man this week. He needs to do what he does best. Win the clearance, get his hands dirty and step out from the shadow.
We need Pitto this week. We need his size and aggression against Gawn and his ability to win clearances. He really shone in that area earlier in the year. TDK stays in.
I'd consider playing Jack on Oliver as well. He plays best when he has a defined role IMHO.

So the changes for me are Fogarty and Pitto in for Cripps and Martin. I know Jack Carroll is the future but Fogarty is the now. He's dominating VFL footy and we'll need the midfield back up.

We need to return to the faster, offensive footy of earlier in the year. If we play the slow, down the line footy of recent, May and Lever will destroy us. Play on more, use the short kicking to shift the play and then get the outside run instead of hand balling to players under pressure.
And mix up the midfield. Corey Durdin was ranked the best player in the country playing midfield as an Under 16. Give him small stints at centre bounces. He's clean, close to the ground, has a good step and he has energy.
Our problem isn't so much about personnel, its about finding the correct balance between offensive flair and defensive correction. More dare, more risks and more run. If we try to beat Melbourne by keeping the ball in contest, we will lose.


Pretty good BV.

I dont expect Dow to be dropped despite his poor game last weekend.

Opportunity to shine.

I am not a fan of Fogarty, but there's only Fogarty, Carroll and Hayes to pick from for a midfield role. I'd prefer Hayes, but its a case of opportunity for anyone of those 3. There's a reason, other than injury why they are the last 3 standing to pick from.

Didnt know that about Corey. Geez he looked dangerous in the last quarter...the energy was...well ... what substances was he working under? Impressive after his last 6 weeks or more.

Pitto was amazing in the preseason game against Gawn and Jackson. He did what Kreuzer use to do to Gawn and NicNat...bullock his way through them and win the contest on the ground.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 games and looking for signs of improvement...and some Navy Blue entertainment.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:10 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
As much as I'd be extremely disappointed to see Cripps miss 2 games, I love the opportunity that these moments present to players.
Some players can't or don't have the ability to show their full potential when they're in the shadow of star players but when they're presented with opportunities, they step up. I recall a match a few years ago against in Freo where Cripps and McKay were out injured and we lost Charlie in the first quarter. Ed Curnow who had been playing as a stopper was required to be our inside, ball winning mid.
He had 16 clearances and played a huge game. 30 something disposals, plenty of defensive pressure and we won the game.
That's what can come from opportunity.

Dow was poor on the weekend but this week if Cripps misses, this is his week. Voss needs to stand him up in front of the group and tell him he's the man this week. He needs to do what he does best. Win the clearance, get his hands dirty and step out from the shadow.
We need Pitto this week. We need his size and aggression against Gawn and his ability to win clearances. He really shone in that area earlier in the year. TDK stays in.
I'd consider playing Jack on Oliver as well. He plays best when he has a defined role IMHO.

So the changes for me are Fogarty and Pitto in for Cripps and Martin. I know Jack Carroll is the future but Fogarty is the now. He's dominating VFL footy and we'll need the midfield back up.

We need to return to the faster, offensive footy of earlier in the year. If we play the slow, down the line footy of recent, May and Lever will destroy us. Play on more, use the short kicking to shift the play and then get the outside run instead of hand balling to players under pressure.
And mix up the midfield. Corey Durdin was ranked the best player in the country playing midfield as an Under 16. Give him small stints at centre bounces. He's clean, close to the ground, has a good step and he has energy.
Our problem isn't so much about personnel, its about finding the correct balance between offensive flair and defensive correction. More dare, more risks and more run. If we try to beat Melbourne by keeping the ball in contest, we will lose.


Hear hear...particularly the comments on Dow stepping up out of Cripps' shadow, Jack having a defined role on Oliver and Durdin given some midfield minutes

I'm also not aversee to getting Charlie up the ground a bit and asking Cottrell to play a bit of a psycho HF role where he gut runs, creates space, tackles, causes mismatches and plays angry and possessed

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
He's getting crucified because he got asked if our year would still be a success if we missed finals, and his answer was "no matter what happens we've taken a step forward this year"

Of course the Carlton fans have interpreted that as him saying he doesn't care if we miss finals lol.

Why oh why did we put him on tonight.

I haven't seen it yet, but until I got to your post I assumed he was just laughing, joking, being smug and couldn't care less if we made finals or not.
I agree, we shouldn't let any players talk until after the end of R23/end of our season.



Easy to fix your problem: don't watch.

I loved hearing what he had to say.

We are talking about our Coleman Medallist who is coming out of contract and a RFA.

I'm glad he sees the good in what the club is doing.

Too late.
Not sure what his contract has to do with it.
But I still think interviews at the moment are for only one reason and it's not necessarily a positive one.
The safer option is to not have them until our season is over, you can't keep feeding this lot and not expect something to go wrong sooner or later.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:21 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
He's getting crucified because he got asked if our year would still be a success if we missed finals, and his answer was "no matter what happens we've taken a step forward this year"

Of course the Carlton fans have interpreted that as him saying he doesn't care if we miss finals lol.

Why oh why did we put him on tonight.

I haven't seen it yet, but until I got to your post I assumed he was just laughing, joking, being smug and couldn't care less if we made finals or not.
I agree, we shouldn't let any players talk until after the end of R23/end of our season.



Easy to fix your problem: don't watch.

I loved hearing what he had to say.

We are talking about our Coleman Medallist who is coming out of contract and a RFA.

I'm glad he sees the good in what the club is doing.

Too late.
Not sure what his contract has to do with it.
But I still think interviews at the moment are for only one reason only and it's not necessarily a positive one.
The safer option is to not have them until our season is over, you can't keep feeding this lot and not expect something to go wrong sooner or later.


Sidey, we are Carlton. Against that backdrop, we will always be making headlines whether players are interviewed or not.
Saying nothing, and there's still headlines. No one is talking about our injuries till today...all said it was a disappointing performance.
Did you notice a huge media fallout from the interview, other than from some Carlton supporters.

His current contract is coming to an end. He sounded like he admires the direction of the club. That sounded positive to me. Positive account during a dip in form and bad media headlines is a good sign he will be staying. That's all. If he says nothing....well we all know what that might imply.

I don't care what they say. I care about what our players say.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:33 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
He's getting crucified because he got asked if our year would still be a success if we missed finals, and his answer was "no matter what happens we've taken a step forward this year"

Of course the Carlton fans have interpreted that as him saying he doesn't care if we miss finals lol.

Why oh why did we put him on tonight.

I haven't seen it yet, but until I got to your post I assumed he was just laughing, joking, being smug and couldn't care less if we made finals or not.
I agree, we shouldn't let any players talk until after the end of R23/end of our season.



Easy to fix your problem: don't watch.

I loved hearing what he had to say.

We are talking about our Coleman Medallist who is coming out of contract and a RFA.

I'm glad he sees the good in what the club is doing.

Too late.
Not sure what his contract has to do with it.
But I still think interviews at the moment are for only one reason only and it's not necessarily a positive one.
The safer option is to not have them until our season is over, you can't keep feeding this lot and not expect something to go wrong sooner or later.


Sidey, we are Carlton. Against that backdrop, we will always be making headlines whether players are interviewed or not.
Saying nothing, and there's still headlines. No one is talking about our injuries till today...all said it was a disappointing performance.
Did you notice a huge media fallout from the interview, other than from some Carlton supporters.

His current contract is coming to an end. He sounded like he admires the direction of the club. That sounded positive to me. Positive account during a dip in form and bad media headlines is a good sign he will be staying. That's all. If he says nothing....well we all know what that might imply.

I don't care what they say. I care about what our players say.

I don't disagree about being headliners, but you don't always have to feed the trolls.
My comment was more made on the side of caution as to it could've gone wrong for us if they tried to trip him up, but he did well.
As for us finding out what his mindset is, there are other avenues for him to say how much he likes the club and wants to stay that are safer. i.e. The Carlton media department interviewing him and releasing it in our own channels.
I just think we are two weeks out, possibly going to miss the finals and the media are really only looking for one thing and there is more chance it will backfire on Carlton than not.


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sinbagger wrote:
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Carlton’s quest to play its first finals series since 2013 has been complicated given the loss of the side’s “strength” over recent weeks.

Carlton started the year with one of the dominant midfield units, Patrick Cripps leading a brutal on-ball brigade featuring Marc Pittonet, George Hewett, Matthew Kennedy, Sam Walsh and Adam Cerra.


But the drop-off from earlier this season to Round 21 is stark. The Blues lost to Brisbane by 33 points on Sunday, but of particular concern, were belted in centre clearances.

Hewett hasn’t played since Round 18 with a back problem, while Kennedy has a fractured jaw and could return in Round 23.

This issue has been compounded by Cripps’ two-game suspension and injuries to depth midfielders including Ed Curnow.

“They lost the centre clearances 23-9, that was their strength,” Essendon*** great Matthew Lloyd told Sportsday.

“So they’ve lost that strength now with no Kennedy and no Hewett and now Patrick Cripps.”

Cripps was cited by the MRO for a bump on Lion Calum Ah Chee and is staring down the barrel of a two-game suspension.

If he’s suspended, it would leave first-year Blue and former Docker Cerra to lead the inside midfield in Round 22 against Sydney.

On Cerra, Sportsday co-host Sam McClure said: “Cerra’s been a bit down, I’m not sure if that’s harsh or not”.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/08/criticism-of-midfield-recruit-highlights-where-blues-have-lost-their/

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Will Hayes, Jack Carroll and Lache Fogarty remain depth options available in the VFL to add to Carlton’s battered midfield, while Liam Stocker could also fill a role.


Cerra will lead the midfield? What about that bloke Walsh, he goes ok I think?


Given the article says he's leading the inside midfield in Round 22 against Sydney, it's obviously Walsh who is leading it against Melbourne! :wink:

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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
As much as I'd be extremely disappointed to see Cripps miss 2 games, I love the opportunity that these moments present to players.
Some players can't or don't have the ability to show their full potential when they're in the shadow of star players but when they're presented with opportunities, they step up. I recall a match a few years ago against in Freo where Cripps and McKay were out injured and we lost Charlie in the first quarter. Ed Curnow who had been playing as a stopper was required to be our inside, ball winning mid.
He had 16 clearances and played a huge game. 30 something disposals, plenty of defensive pressure and we won the game.
That's what can come from opportunity.

Dow was poor on the weekend but this week if Cripps misses, this is his week. Voss needs to stand him up in front of the group and tell him he's the man this week. He needs to do what he does best. Win the clearance, get his hands dirty and step out from the shadow.
We need Pitto this week. We need his size and aggression against Gawn and his ability to win clearances. He really shone in that area earlier in the year. TDK stays in.
I'd consider playing Jack on Oliver as well. He plays best when he has a defined role IMHO.

So the changes for me are Fogarty and Pitto in for Cripps and Martin. I know Jack Carroll is the future but Fogarty is the now. He's dominating VFL footy and we'll need the midfield back up.

We need to return to the faster, offensive footy of earlier in the year. If we play the slow, down the line footy of recent, May and Lever will destroy us. Play on more, use the short kicking to shift the play and then get the outside run instead of hand balling to players under pressure.
And mix up the midfield. Corey Durdin was ranked the best player in the country playing midfield as an Under 16. Give him small stints at centre bounces. He's clean, close to the ground, has a good step and he has energy.
Our problem isn't so much about personnel, its about finding the correct balance between offensive flair and defensive correction. More dare, more risks and more run. If we try to beat Melbourne by keeping the ball in contest, we will lose.


Pretty good BV.

I dont expect Dow to be dropped despite his poor game last weekend.

Opportunity to shine.

I am not a fan of Fogarty, but there's only Fogarty, Carroll and Hayes to pick from for a midfield role. I'd prefer Hayes, but its a case of opportunity for anyone of those 3. There's a reason, other than injury why they are the last 3 standing to pick from.

Didnt know that about Corey. Geez he looked dangerous in the last quarter...the energy was...well ... what substances was he working under? Impressive after his last 6 weeks or more.

Pitto was amazing in the preseason game against Gawn and Jackson. He did what Kreuzer use to do to Gawn and NicNat...bullock his way through them and win the contest on the ground.

I'm looking forward to the next 2 games and looking for signs of improvement...and some Navy Blue entertainment.


No to Fogarty please, I’d rather see Honey in for Martin and push JSOS into the midfield.

Pitto and Honey for Cripps and Martin.


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our mids need to rove to Gawn and JAckson, and play on at all cost


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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1193712/walsh-get-back-on-the-same-page

Listening to our future captain, he puts Dows performance and next challenge into perspective....for me too.

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The more u send mixed messages to Dow (and others), the less likely it is to instill him/them with confidence. Also, noted, the suggestion a line was put through his (and others) development (or lack of) prior to Voss getting on board. Then u see Dow smash it at VFL level for most of this season consistently. Numerous other players were retained despite underwhelming efforts at senior level on multiple occasions. That's the mixed messages that are coming thru to me. All well and good to say "we need to be on the same page", however that page is hardly clear from what we have seen. Especially over the last month...

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Everyone is just playing around the edges with these proposed changes.
The real big change this week needs to be crew cuts for everyone - we played much better when all our hair was cut short.
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I've long held a thought that are midfield will cause chaos with without Cripps as teams plans would go out the window.

Fascinated to see how that transpires over the next two weeks


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I've long held a thought that are midfield will cause chaos with without Cripps as teams plans would go out the window.

Fascinated to see how that transpires over the next two weeks


Best chance is this Saturday night then as McRae will know how to nullify it by next week.


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bondiblue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
McKay featured tonight On The Couch.

Wearing ripped jeans, joking around calling Garry "Gaz" several times.

Would've thought we'd have a media blackout after the last few weeks.


Got to be kidding, I would have preferred complete blackout too
He also said that regardless of whether they play finals this year has been a successful one.

Typical carlton embracing mediocrity

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That's not what he said. See my previous post.



Chinese whispers ... that's typical Carlton supporters do when they aren't happy ... preferring to forget the root of the problem (injuries), forget the CEO's KPI to win 12 games, forget the huge wins, forget the year of transition, forget we have improved, forget the new talent uncovered (Young/Boyd/Motlop/Durdin), forget we found out more about our First Round Draftees: Dow, LOB, Setterfield, Fogarty (what depth) ... the same people who now expect us to make Finals with 3 of our Fab 5 missing from the contest, with no ruck to put the ball to their advantage.

The sky is falling.

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If Williams is ready for next week surely we risk it and play him this week.
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