Young has to come in to replace Oscar.
All other options too short for Hawks 2 KPF's: Lewis and McEvoy

McEvoy played CHF vs Port. He did ruck in the forward line.
Reeves did the bulk of the ruckwork vs Lycett.
Nash, only 197cm, (Silvagni size) took on a few ruck duels.

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We need to make room for Cerra and Martin.

The question will be which ONE of the following will miss selection:

Martin ... class player who should be selected as a marking, running option with great forward pressure
LOB ... he didn't play as well as we would want a best 22 player to play. Has the legs to play wing
Setterfield ... no way would Setters be dropped from the wing. He has the legs to play wing. Could put his head over ball more.
Fisher ... his first half was brilliant, and gave a chop out in the centre bounce and midfield group. Cerra addition means Fish needed less as a mid
Owies ... playes the pressure forward position well. 3 great passes to Harry resulted in 2 goals, plus his goal (pinching it from DeKoning)
Newman... played 7th defender. Knows the play and players around him. He is tough at it, but His kicking has been going downhill for a while.

Having watched the game again, this time with unemotional eyes I thought of the above Newman and LOB were the weakest links, but Newman is our 7th defender and he's ahead of Plowman, Williamson, Parks, with only Boyd a threat to take his spot till Stocker returns.

I'd drop LOB to sub, and Walsh and Cerra can continue to wax the wing like Kennedy and Walsh did last week.

McGovern will most likely take Gunston, who kick 3 goals from 7 kicks last week.

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In what world is Silvagni 197cm?

But agree we absolutely need Young in


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Sub should be defensive cover - someone that can slot into a zone whilst the other pieces are moved around the board.

O’Brien has nowhere near the intensity required to come on against an opponent that is already up and running.

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Young for McDonald
Cerra for Fogarty
Martin for Owies (sub)

Fair enough question.

Point I'm making is Nash is not a 200cm ruckman. Inference is neither is Jack Silvagni.
There's only a 3cm difference between the 2 KPF's, who both happen to ruck every now and then.
Couldn't tell you who has the longer arms.

More importantly for the discussion on Hawks rucks is Nash took the ruck role ahead of McEvoy at times, but Reeves is the main man in the ruck.

Hawks have plenty of height forward of centre. Lewis is 199cm. Nash 197cm. We must select Young ahead of the next tallest backman, Plowman, who is 10cms chorter than young.
McEvoy is 200cm. Gunston is 193cm.

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This is just about spot on for me

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Was handy last week having Plow as sub to replace McDonald. I agree with point for Defensive cover, especially when we have the likes of Docherty, Saad and Williams who could play outside of the backline.

I don't think Plow will be named sub 2 weeks in a row, but he suits the point: Defence zone.

I have no doubt the replacements will be Fogarty, Young for McDonald, and if Martin steps right in, he will replace Owies or LOB.
Whether one of those 2 are sub, or Plowman, or even Parks, Boyd ... I have no idea who it will be, or should be.
Its hard enough trying to select a player to drop for Martin TBH.

I don't know for sure about your point on OBrien's running capability.
OBrien is a good runner. I've seen him come on as a sub and he ran like mad in the last Qtr, Forrest Gump like to get force himself into the game.

Go Blues .... and Stocker adds further pressure on spots with his return to the VFL, and Honey only a week away. They need to show good form if they want to crack a spot in the seniors.

Lovely problem to have.

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For what it is worth here is my take on it.

Let's start with the no brainer - Lewis replaces McDonald

In regards to who goes out for Cerra and Martin to come in.

Cerra replaces Fogarty - i think this is easy as Fogarty replaced him and it is somewhat like for like.

Martin is an interesting one - Does he come straight back in? But if we think he does then the option for me is Plowman. A lot of people are bringing up Setterfield and O'Brien's name but for me you need to continue to look for balance. Both OBrien and Setterfield have been playing as Wingman. more on the outside and not as inside mids. If you take one of them out then maybe Walsh needs to push to Wing, and why the hell would we want to do that when he gives us burst from the Midfield. Plus both 4 and 43 have been decent in both games.

The other way to look at is Martin is the obvious replacement for Fogarty as he they both play more forward than mid.

In that case you could make a case that O’Brien is the obvious one to make way for Cerra in a midfield/wing role. The conundrum is that O’Brien showed some significant improvement last week.

Either way, Martin and Cerra both play. You have to play your best team and you can’t leave out players of their quality.

It’s 2 of Fogarty, O’Brien, or Owies to make way for mine


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Ben Silvagni?

I thought Walsh took the space left by Cerra in the middle, and Fogarty took the HF role left open by Martin.

I had another look at the game vs Doggies. Its raining in Sydney. LOB wasn't very good vs Doggies. Did a couple good things and his weapon is his legs to carry him forward and back as needed. I like his improvement, but we have to be realistic he has a long way to go with his skills. His left peg is hit and miss. Setterfield starred in the first half and did a lot of good things in the 2nd.

Regardless of how players are playing, if there's a case to bring in a better player, then we should. Martin imo >>>LOB and Owies (who hasn't put a foot wrong).

I like the point you make about balance, and that may be the factor to leave out Martin altogether (but I don't think that will happen).

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You're an ideas man Des.

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I’m not questioning O’Brien’s running capability - and I never have. The odometer is there for all to see. I’m saying it’s always, ALWAYS, after the fact… 14km per game to find himself with a 50m radius of clear space, then gut busting sprints to chase the opponent that dared come within cooee of the contest.

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The reason is simple, Gee. Walsh is just that good. Even from the wing, he is a threat to the interior. Leave him out there & you’re cooked. Ease the press at the stoppages and the size we have inside will cave your chest in.

Setterfield & O’Brien might be named on a wing, but George is the one pulling it all together. He’s constantly on the defensive side of the stoppages, which allows the other two to cheat off the contest.

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Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman

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We may struggle to find a place in the forward line for another rotation once Cerra comes in. The wing seems the likely rotation role. Plus Walsh and Cerra are suited to a midfield/wing role. We probably need someone else to come into a 3 way rotation with reduced game time (Wing/bench, no midfield role). Possibly Fish or Setterfield.

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You’ve named one key defender. McGovern and plowman are both undersized to be playing on Key forwards. Plowman plays better on smalls and Gov is more of a third tall / intercept marker. I’d hate to see either of them lining up against McEvoy. Jones has a couple of inches on these guys


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I think we are on the same page when it comes to OBrien and his running.

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