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keogh
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:48 pm 
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Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft
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CK95
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O'Brien is a genuine wingman who runs the lines and takes the game on. We are crying out for wingman who can run and carry. I don't buy that he doesn't run defensively. I cannot see how we don't play this guy and SpS on the wings. Just ridiculous stubborn selections to have the likes of Cottrell and Newnes playing ahead of these 2 guys, just because they run many kilometers.......really????


I think its more to it than that - LOB's decision making, inacurate kicking and halving the contest leave alot to be desired sometimes

LOB like Dow had his best season in his first year.

Free him up, let him play, get his confidence back. Give him at least 3 games as Cottrell got more than that. He may not make it but give him a chance.



Agree. I'm not a LOB fan but given the season's over we should at least have another look at him before we're done IMO

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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.

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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.





I’m beginning to wonder how many premierships Hawthorn would have won if they’d had a decent fitness coach.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:27 pm 
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muzza wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Walsh wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
O'Brien is a genuine wingman who runs the lines and takes the game on. We are crying out for wingman who can run and carry. I don't buy that he doesn't run defensively. I cannot see how we don't play this guy and SpS on the wings. Just ridiculous stubborn selections to have the likes of Cottrell and Newnes playing ahead of these 2 guys, just because they run many kilometers.......really????


I think its more to it than that - LOB's decision making, inacurate kicking and halving the contest leave alot to be desired sometimes

LOB like Dow had his best season in his first year.

Free him up, let him play, get his confidence back.

Let em both go full Paul Bower I say !!



:lol: :lol: :lol:

If you want full Paul Bower, then Tom Williamson is your man.

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bondiblue
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.





I’m beginning to wonder how many premierships Hawthorn would have won if they’d had a decent fitness coach.


:lol:


:clap: on fire agro

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keogh
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Bradley IMO wasn’t soft.
I saw him back into packs.
As we all know he was one of the hardest runners ever
He would be close to the best Carlton player I have seen.
His record is amazing and his professionalism was second to none
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bluehammer
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Bradley was outside.

Outside does not immediately equal soft.

When Braddles had to go, he went. Not soft.

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bondiblue
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I loved Bradley and he is a legend.

Its common knowledge he was considered soft at time for not going into packs and putting himself in harms way.

My point is, even 'soft' martin can do plenty more to compensate his....

I'm convinced its laziness, not softness.

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bondiblue
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bluehammer wrote:
Bradley was outside.

Outside does not immediately equal soft.

When Braddles had to go, he went. Not soft.


Always?

Lets leave Bradley ... I'm not arguing against him and never did.

He was a total professional.

Always showed up to play in supreme condition.

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Mickstar
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bluehammer wrote:
Bradley was outside.

Outside does not immediately equal soft.

When Braddles had to go, he went. Not soft.


Yep ! superb ! i like Martin and i reckon he offer's something.................but he wouldn't be quarter the player Bradley was.

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frank dardew
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Me too Mick but not in the same hemisphere as Bradley an out and out star Craig Bradley -think Walsh
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kezza
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.





I’m beginning to wonder how many premierships Hawthorn would have won if they’d had a decent fitness coach.


:lol:

:lol: :lol:
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Mickstar
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Me too Mick but not in the same hemisphere as Bradley an out and out star Craig Bradley -think Walsh


Its early doors with Walshy Frank,but i reckon that is a good comparison...................i reckon the kid is so good he deserves to be spoken of in the same breath as our great champions of the past.

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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Yeah a lot of us were applauding Martin's hardness and pressure acts last season. I think this application of the "lazy" tag to players when they hit a bad run is a bit, well, lazy.


Last year was last year. I was a fan.

Cameras don't lie. He has been exposed. I can't defend him this year. Camera doesn't lie:

He was jogging when he should have been chasing;

He was watching when he should have been tackling;

He should have been a forward option running into space but stuck his hand up with his taller opponent next to him.

I haven't given up on him, but hoping the shame of being found out may help drive him. Lazy is the apt word imo.

Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.


Martin is not soft, he’s one on the few to tackle with intent.

Don’t mistake not being able to move with unwillingness.
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AGRO
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bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Martin has always been soft


So was Bradley, but that didn't stop him winning 30 plus possessions a game and being involved in scoring opportunities right up till the day he retired at 63yo.

Martin is a tough tackler when he tackles.

I think he's another unfit player under the Russell regime.





I’m beginning to wonder how many premierships Hawthorn would have won if they’d had a decent fitness coach.


:lol:


:clap: on fire agro




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DesEnglish wrote:

Martin is not soft, he’s one on the few to tackle with intent.

Don’t mistake not being able to move with unwillingness.


Agree. Has a great tackling technique.
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OUT: Parks, Pittonet, Newman (omitted), Fisher

IN: Plowman, M Murphy, Petreveski-Seton

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Murphy and Newnes very lucky in my view
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Mickstar
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Effes wrote:
OUT: Parks, Pittonet, Newman (omitted), Fisher

IN: Plowman, M Murphy, Petreveski-Seton


Good to see PetSet back............for faaark sake son,show us what ya got.

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