Chris Fagan has had four pre seasons with the Lions with great recuiting in Cameron and Neal that have changed the face of the club and Flag favs.

We need a big trading period and Teagues 2nd pre season should start bearing fruit in fact I see that it already is - just need some minor tweaks and couple of top liners

Time to throw kitchen sinks at A graders

I'm not missing the point at all.
I've raised multiple issues in a few posts.
Midfield is a major problem, that's a no brainer.

Yes, there's still times we're dominated and broken apart as a team. It's been like that for 20 yrs.

There'll come a time when a Carlton team once again refuses to be dominated and plays with authority.

Recruiting and list management has been the biggest problem
More than the coaching in most cases.

Teague needs to try different players through the midfield

No team fears us no team respects us, if they did then 5 goals up in the first quarter would translate into a ten goal plus win.

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Agree with you Walsh that Teague needs time to make his mark and to recruit mature reliable talent.

However, the Brisbane analogy leaves out one key detail: the recruitment of Luke Hodge. Along with Fagan he turned around the basket case culture they had prior. He’s a coach out on the field. He knows what’s required to win flags and he made that known to the young list they have. When momentum shifted against them in games, he could say this is how we counter it and weather the storm. He’s got premiership clout. That’s who they had developing their young talent.

What do we have? Simmo and Murph are fantastic servants of the club. Some of the guys we played next to them in their prime was downright negligent. Regardless, what do they know about playing in a premiership calibre side? What do they know about how you train, prepare and play to be a consistent contending side? Again, I reiterate, fantastic servants of the club but they haven’t won anything so they can’t possibly know what it takes to succeed. Cripps and Doc tried their arses off as captains yesterday but how many finals have they played between them? These are the guys in charge of developing our youngsters - the guys we’ve invested so many high picks into.

We’re mired in this rut of the losing mentality that has plagued this club for 20 years. We need to find some genuine leadership as a player or coach. Saints got Roughead as a dev coach last year. We need to do something like this. Find a way to get a Selwood when he retires. Someone who knows what it takes and can break the loser mentality that has plagued this club and continues to do so.

Faaarking hell Dave,i have mentioned Selwood in the past and been torn to shreds.So yeah,i agree.Excellent post.Hard yes,but fair.

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Really hoping this loss is the equivalent to the saints losing to freo recently

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My thoughts exactly!

Can someone please send this to the club!

Did I miss something?
I thought TC was the Club

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Yep. We need to earn respect and fear and you do that by putting nails in coffins when they are presented!!!

Missing easy set shots for goal doesn’t help

100% spot on David31 re Hodge , and now they have replaced him with Birchill . More grand final winning experience.

So true! Agree with all of that.

I was under the impression we already went down this road with Judd. Didn’t he bring that grand final winning experience, mentality, culture, training, etc. and passed it on to the previous high draft picks.......sounds like either more excuses or history repeating.
Either way, doesn’t sound or look good.

Well it hasn’t, we went 4-39 under bolts and now 10-10 under Teague.

Thought of another Pro:
Moore was better this week.

The only reason I can see them playing Moore instead of TDK is to see what he offers before list management at the end of the year.

I would actually agree with that. I mean, double nothing is nothing but the second nothing showed ... something.


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I agree there's alot of reasons for the loss, not just one.

We smashed them in contested possessions the first quarter. I think we were up 11. Lost in the end by 20. We got smashed in the 3 quarters after the first.
Some of our contested possessions in the last 3 quarters were not worth counting as they were dinky little handballs to no one and sharked by Hawks.

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We gave up Kennedy to get Judd.They gave up zilch to get Hodge............reckon things would have turned out differently if we had retained Kennedy.

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