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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:48 am 
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Philips is the least of our worries right now.

No he's not. Marchbank is less of a worry. Cripps too. SPS as well. There are a few.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:15 am 
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Philips is the least of our worries right now.

No he's not. Marchbank is less of a worry. Cripps too. SPS as well. There are a few.

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I'll rephrase

"Philips is far from our biggest worry right now"

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:23 am 
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Rexy wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheCarltonShow/status/856302425904340992



contains a good conversation re our dysfunctional forward line


I know it's Maher, who are the other two guys?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:25 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheCarltonShow/status/856302425904340992



contains a good conversation re our dysfunctional forward line


I know it's Maher, who are the other two guys?


dunno cimm


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:36 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
scottopee wrote:
Positives

C.Curnow - his best game. Marked the ball with confidence which hopefully he will build on from here.

Levi - 4 goals. Think ruck forward is the only way to go with him takes the pressure of the kids like Rowe. If he gets 30 goals for the year and as a ruck forward people might have to praise him.

Williamson and Fisher - Developing nicely.

Negatives

All the posts whinging about the pre-match comments by the experts we would be flogged and that they are idiots for not knowing what they are talking about or biased against Carlton. Well they were right you were wrong!

Phillips - Yep limited preseason etc but had a bad a game as you could have. Just don't see anything but a backup ruckman at best with him as he is nearly 26yr old hasn't established himself and hasn't had a breakout game. Drafted as a mature age ruckman by GWS so don't see any massive development in him.

Murph - Had an average game but nothing like suggested on other threads. While Cripps gets he look injured all the time as an excuse Murphy gets smashed on here with no excuses. Strapping below his right knee that I haven't seen him have before would suggest something is up. End of the day he had a DE% of 76 while Cripps went at 64%. Though 0 tackles from him is not good enough even if injured. And those who say he is soft have NFI.

Kids in general - apart from the ones above they were overwhelmed. Considering they have all shown something it was to be expected at some stage.

No small defender - We need to find one quickly our defence is to top heavy.

Picket - Only early days but just see a highlight reel player not a consistent top line AFL footballer.

Phillips was drafted as a 17-18yo straight from Tassie.
He was in my car a couple of months before the draft having a driving lesson as a 17yo iir.
He is seriously underdone atm. He finished last year well and has yet to find decent form but he had no pre-season at all and for a midfielder to have no miles in his legs coming into the season is a serious disadvantage,
Yes he is 26 but what are the options?
I once suggested on here we go after Witts and got howled down. Currently #1 rated in the league according to the commentators during the GCS game.
Sometimes they take a while.
Phillips is all we have. Korcheck won't make it. He's about the same age as Phillips and a long way behind him in ability. He'll be let go at the end of the year i suspect.
Either we get another ruckman through trade or we punt on one or two through the draft and wait several years to see how he goes or we persist with Phillips for a while longer.. The no third man up rule should make it easier for rucks to play late into their thirties.


Both wrong Phillips was taken in the 2011 rookie draft so I assumed he would have been 20yr 5mths having been born in 91 but found out it was held in 2010 they just call it 2011 rookie draft so he was 19yr 5mth.

Anyway not saying anything about him except I only see him as a backup ruckman not a no.1 just don't see any elite talent in him.


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cimm1979 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheCarltonShow/status/856302425904340992



contains a good conversation re our dysfunctional forward line


I know it's Maher, who are the other two guys?


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Rexy wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
https://twitter.com/TheCarltonShow/status/856302425904340992



contains a good conversation re our dysfunctional forward line


I know it's Maher, who are the other two guys?


dunno cimm


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:55 pm 
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Just got back from SA, we spent a few days in Glenelg before heading back home, and no it wasn't me who snotted the PA player Saturday night in Glenelg.

What a night sitting in the stand watching that flogging. Perfect conditions, perfect surface and 2.9 to halftime, then fail to score at all in the third quarter. Carlton supporters were laughing it was that bad. Me? I had my head in my hands.

There were quite a few Carlton supporters sitting near us, most were gone by half way through the last quarter. I've sat through some awful thrashings over the years and never left a game early, I came close this time though. The only Carlton supporters in our area till the end was my wife and I, and another couple sitting stony faced near by.

Of the teams that made up the AFL at the start of this century we are by far the worst performed. I've tried to be patient, but I just don't know any more. The fumbling, the foot skills (whether field kicking or shooting for goal) which would shame a country footy team, year in year out nothing much seems to change. It's the hope which kills you, every once in a while like against Essendon* you think progress is being made then backwards we go again.

I'm 66 years old, followed Carlton all my life and will till I die, but I don't think I've ever been so disheartened. Walking away from the ground Friday night my wife asked me if I was alright, she was seriously worried about me. She'd never seen me so quite during or after a game, never seen me so down. I've been saying we are on the right track, that in a couple of years we'll have a good side, 3/4 years and we'll be challenging for a flag, now I really don't know. Ah well, give me a week or so and I guess I'll front up again, right now I wonder if I'll live to see another flag though.

It's the kids I feel most sorry for, at least I've seen success. There were a couple of family groups near us with little kids decked out in navy blue, the poor kids just couldn't understand why we were so bad, a couple looked near to tears. You wonder how much longer they'll continue to support Carlton.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:40 pm 
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Cortez...I don't know what to say other than keep the faith?? You are not alone.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:14 pm 
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Were hearin' a Cortez................i'm older than you Cortez and im still hangin' tough.Hang in with me buddy coz i got a hunch this one aint a false dawn.......

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:27 pm 
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cortez wrote:
Just got back from SA, we spent a few days in Glenelg before heading back home, and no it wasn't me who snotted the PA player Saturday night in Glenelg.

What a night sitting in the stand watching that flogging. Perfect conditions, perfect surface and 2.9 to halftime, then fail to score at all in the third quarter. Carlton supporters were laughing it was that bad. Me? I had my head in my hands.

There were quite a few Carlton supporters sitting near us, most were gone by half way through the last quarter. I've sat through some awful thrashings over the years and never left a game early, I came close this time though. The only Carlton supporters in our area till the end was my wife and I, and another couple sitting stony faced near by.

Of the teams that made up the AFL at the start of this century we are by far the worst performed. I've tried to be patient, but I just don't know any more. The fumbling, the foot skills (whether field kicking or shooting for goal) which would shame a country footy team, year in year out nothing much seems to change. It's the hope which kills you, every once in a while like against Essendon** you think progress is being made then backwards we go again.

I'm 66 years old, followed Carlton all my life and will till I die, but I don't think I've ever been so disheartened. Walking away from the ground Friday night my wife asked me if I was alright, she was seriously worried about me. She'd never seen me so quite during or after a game, never seen me so down. I've been saying we are on the right track, that in a couple of years we'll have a good side, 3/4 years and we'll be challenging for a flag, now I really don't know. Ah well, give me a week or so and I guess I'll front up again, right now I wonder if I'll live to see another flag though.

It's the kids I feel most sorry for, at least I've seen success. There were a couple of family groups near us with little kids decked out in navy blue, the poor kids just couldn't understand why we were so bad, a couple looked near to tears. You wonder how much longer they'll continue to support Carlton.


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Were hearin' a Cortez................i'm older than you Cortez and im still hangin' tough.Hang in with me buddy coz i got a hunch this one aint a false dawn.......


Feel the same, but not older.

I had kids late. Got a 13yo and a 9yo.
Both good footy players, and understand the game.
I watch them get upset and cry "Umpire" just like us.
I also make sure they bring some humility along for the ride.
It tests us all.

This time I know the rebuild is for real. It feels that way.
History says so, and players selected do too.

There's no messiah. There's a team building.
I expect to be alive for the 17th. Just.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Cortez, I hear you. It's challenging for us rusted on blue baggers. Reality is we've never really embraced the new world order of the AFL in its entirety until now. We are building from ground up, and that is all aspects of the club not just the playing list. That's the reason we've called it a reset.

I remember in the early to mid to late decade of 2000's we copped a lot of floggings and it came good eventually with only some youth, a few no.1 draft picks, and a guy named Judd (who we hailed our modern day messiah) but primarily the same VFL club, and it only lasted a blink of an eye.

We need to trust this regime to get this right, something we have not been used to, so it's uncomfortable and unchartered territory. The fear is what if we don't get it right, and Friday night questions and tests our beliefs and resolve as blue baggers.

Good times ahead, and hang in there. Blue baggers forever.

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I keep telling myself that in its infancy, GWS copped some floggings too.

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cortez wrote:
Just got back from SA, we spent a few days in Glenelg before heading back home, and no it wasn't me who snotted the PA player Saturday night in Glenelg.

What a night sitting in the stand watching that flogging. Perfect conditions, perfect surface and 2.9 to halftime, then fail to score at all in the third quarter. Carlton supporters were laughing it was that bad. Me? I had my head in my hands.

There were quite a few Carlton supporters sitting near us, most were gone by half way through the last quarter. I've sat through some awful thrashings over the years and never left a game early, I came close this time though. The only Carlton supporters in our area till the end was my wife and I, and another couple sitting stony faced near by.

Of the teams that made up the AFL at the start of this century we are by far the worst performed. I've tried to be patient, but I just don't know any more. The fumbling, the foot skills (whether field kicking or shooting for goal) which would shame a country footy team, year in year out nothing much seems to change. It's the hope which kills you, every once in a while like against Essendon** you think progress is being made then backwards we go again.


I'm 66 years old, followed Carlton all my life and will till I die, but I don't think I've ever been so disheartened. Walking away from the ground Friday night my wife asked me if I was alright, she was seriously worried about me. She'd never seen me so quite during or after a game, never seen me so down. I've been saying we are on the right track, that in a couple of years we'll have a good side, 3/4 years and we'll be challenging for a flag, now I really don't know. Ah well, give me a week or so and I guess I'll front up again, right now I wonder if I'll live to see another flag though.

It's the kids I feel most sorry for, at least I've seen success. There were a couple of family groups near us with little kids decked out in navy blue, the poor kids just couldn't understand why we were so bad, a couple looked near to tears. You wonder how much longer they'll continue to support Carlton.

I'm 67 in August.
I think being there would have made it worse, listening to the Port supporters giving it to us as well.
I watched it stoney faced in Mexico at 5:00 in the morning as I have been doing ever since the pirate streams came available and now using the AFL stream.
I used to get emotional and want to throw stuff at the screen years ago but now I have developed a sort of emotional isolation. I keep telling myself we will be OK and this time I think we will. Remember that a few years ago GWS was getting flogged by 100 points a week but they had youth and high picks.
Well we have youth and high picks and players who were high picks before we traded them in. They WILL form the basis of the recovery. They won't all be there when it happens and neither will some of the current senior players for whatever reason but we need to be patient.
Our problem is that we know mortality is creeping up on us. My dad was over the moon when we won in 1995. He didn't think he'd ever see another flag.
That's how I feel at the moment.
I'l be watching stoney faced this weekend as usual...

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Just got back from SA, we spent a few days in Glenelg before heading back home, and no it wasn't me who snotted the PA player Saturday night in Glenelg.

What a night sitting in the stand watching that flogging. Perfect conditions, perfect surface and 2.9 to halftime, then fail to score at all in the third quarter. Carlton supporters were laughing it was that bad. Me? I had my head in my hands.

There were quite a few Carlton supporters sitting near us, most were gone by half way through the last quarter. I've sat through some awful thrashings over the years and never left a game early, I came close this time though. The only Carlton supporters in our area till the end was my wife and I, and another couple sitting stony faced near by.

Of the teams that made up the AFL at the start of this century we are by far the worst performed. I've tried to be patient, but I just don't know any more. The fumbling, the foot skills (whether field kicking or shooting for goal) which would shame a country footy team, year in year out nothing much seems to change. It's the hope which kills you, every once in a while like against Essendon*** you think progress is being made then backwards we go again.


I'm 66 years old, followed Carlton all my life and will till I die, but I don't think I've ever been so disheartened. Walking away from the ground Friday night my wife asked me if I was alright, she was seriously worried about me. She'd never seen me so quite during or after a game, never seen me so down. I've been saying we are on the right track, that in a couple of years we'll have a good side, 3/4 years and we'll be challenging for a flag, now I really don't know. Ah well, give me a week or so and I guess I'll front up again, right now I wonder if I'll live to see another flag though.

It's the kids I feel most sorry for, at least I've seen success. There were a couple of family groups near us with little kids decked out in navy blue, the poor kids just couldn't understand why we were so bad, a couple looked near to tears. You wonder how much longer they'll continue to support Carlton.

I'm 67 in August.
I think being there would have made it worse, listening to the Port supporters giving it to us as well.
I watched it stoney faced in Mexico at 5:00 in the morning as I have been doing ever since the pirate streams came available and now using the AFL stream.
I used to get emotional and want to throw stuff at the screen years ago but now I have developed a sort of emotional isolation. I keep telling myself we will be OK and this time I think we will. Remember that a few years ago GWS was getting flogged by 100 points a week but they had youth and high picks.
Well we have youth and high picks and players who were high picks before we traded them in. They WILL form the basis of the recovery. They won't all be there when it happens and neither will some of the current senior players for whatever reason but we need to be patient.
Our problem is that we know mortality is creeping up on us. My dad was over the moon when we won in 1995. He didn't think he'd ever see another flag.
That's how I feel at the moment.
I'l be watching stoney faced this weekend as usual...



Well said, I feel much the same. Those of us in the 60's have been fortunate to see so many flags. I too sit in silence watching the games. Other than the Essendon* game it is very quiet. I do however, remain optimistic given what I have seen this year with the influx of talent. They can all play and will get better quickly.

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Gee, what a bunch of old farts. Don't worry, flags are just around the corner... :wink:

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The comments about being quiet during games resonates with me, as I can't remember the last time getting vocal watching a game. On the morning of the 1995 GF, I was prevented from going to the game, and I remember wondering had I missed my last chance to see them win a flag. At the time we were an old team, and apart from a young Camporeale, there didn't seem a lot of quality coming through. Elliott and the Legends stand had already become millstones.

But this time it does seem different. Bolton seems to be the right coach, there don't seem to be board troubles, and judging by the number of debutants, recruiting looks good.

At 52, I'm a youngster in this discussion, especially compared to Moshe, but I still get a tear in my eye remembering past glories.

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