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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:36 pm 
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Couldn't be too unhappy with that, but gee we got killed at the stoppages, plus too slow in defence when ball hit the ground. White and Thomas to go? Would have liked to see a bit more from our experienced players.

We'll win a few, but it's going to be a long, hard season for the kids. I fear they'll fall away badly towards the end of the year. Roll on 2019, all things being equal (and with luck with injuries) we could be a good side by then. A flag in 2020? There, I've said it.

Don't know what to think of the Tiges, I felt that if we kicked the first goal of the last quarter they may well have started to panic. Ninth again? And Rance is a dirty prick.



two incidents and probably nothing will come of it :mad:
the thing that pissed me off was that no one especially casboult didn't do anything about it

Rance is a dirty prick. He shoved Weitering to the ground, hurting him, and the ball was 40 metres away. A free kick at least, it happened in the first minute of the game. Weitering did well to run the game out, and beat that prick.



Rance is now a fully fledged member of the AFL Good Ole Boys Media Club - nothing to see here move on.

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Ah yes the "glass your girlfriend but can still have a job in the media" club
Same club that reveres drug cheats and calls then champions?? What a club to be in!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:48 pm 
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Can't blame the kids last night. They showed plenty and I was rapt. Hopefully Cripps & Charlie will pick up from that performance, but they play. Not negotiable for now.
Blame the coaches (game plan, I mentioned it preseason - and it's been mentioned by someone else, I can't remember who) and the selections of White, E. Curnow, Thomas and Armfiled (who wasn't ready).
Also endeavour....Bitchmond had it in spades, what about us? No interest.....hmmm...round 1.

Lastly, how much did the umpires put on a Bitchmond win and why isn't the Rance hit on Weitering being looked at or even highlighted by our CLUB.

Ps. Gibbs was 1 of our best!!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:01 pm 
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First in , best dressed.We were second to the ball all night.Put us on the back foot and consequently we looked tentative...............Marchbank and weitering will be your CHF and CHB for the next ten years.Building the spine is fundamental.................i actually dont think last nights game revealed that much.Next weeks encounter with the Dees will be far more revealing.............so i reckon we need to hold our fire for a while.Like to see Fisher get a go.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:05 pm 
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First in , best dressed.We were second to the ball all night.Put us on the back foot and consequently we looked tentative...............Marchbank and weitering will be your CHF and CHB for the next ten years.Building the spine is fundamental.................i actually dont think last nights game revealed that much. Next weeks encounter with the Dees will be far more revealing.............so i reckon we need to hold our fire for a while.Like to see Fisher get a go.


think you're right about that Mick


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:24 pm 
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If we draft anything but mids/running players for the next 3 years....to quote Terry Wallace....I'll spew up!




Going to be difficult this year as we currently don't have a second round draft pick.

As it stands we have pick 1 and our next pick is 37.

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I don't care if we have pick 113. No more talls.



What about Ben Silvagni?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:47 pm 
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Biggest glaring issue for me last night and we have been doing it for years.

Getting sucked in at the contests. All of our players get too far inside the bubble and then the ball pops out to the outside and we have nobody there to either defend or attack.

Same in marking contests. Everyone up. Nobody down.

It's even more glaring being here and watching the discipline of the dogs in these two aspects tonight. Even Collingwood have it over us in spades.

These two issues aren't talent either. They are coaching and mental.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Biggest glaring issue for me last night and we have been doing it for years.

Getting sucked in at the contests. All of our players get too far inside the bubble and then the ball pops out to the outside and we have nobody there to either defend or attack.

Same in marking contests. Everyone up. Nobody down.

It's even more glaring being here and watching the discipline of the dogs in these two aspects tonight. Even Collingwood have it over us in spades.

These two issues aren't talent either. They are coaching and mental.


So true, how many times we see our defenders or forwards spoil each other. Seems they don't trust their team mate or either have poor vision/awareness.


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And Rance is a dirty prick.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:50 pm 
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And Rance is a dirty prick.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:18 pm 
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The selection of Macreadie was fantastic for the kid but it unbalanced our side. At stages we had Plowman, Marchbank, Rowe, Macreadie and Simon White in defence whilst one of Simpson or Docherty were being forced out onto the wing. 5 players at 190cm or taller while Richmond played a pacy forward line. No surprise that Butler, Castagna and Rioli kicked 6 between them.

The biggest frustration for me was when we moved the ball quickly and got it inside 50, we usually marked it and scored. The bullshit handballing ahead of the play and overpossessing has continually got us into trouble in the JLT and again last night. Posters knock our forwards but FMD, I'd hate to be playing forward for Carlton the way we're rooting around with the ball at the moment. Not that they'd listen but my message to the coaches would be, forget trying to replicate the Bulldogs or the Saints and try to be proactive. Do what actually suits your list demographic instead of being reactive @#$%&! sheep! We have 2 of the better marking players in the game inside forward 50. Give them a chance to play to their strengths.
From memory we had 7 scoring shots at quarter time from 7 inside 50 marks, from not many more inside 50s.

If they dont mark it, have your crumbers at their feet. Why do coaches continually try to overcomplicate the game?


Have to agree BV. We are a limited team. We should be playing within OUR limits!

It's also my humble opinion that a majority of our young players will go on to have successful careers. However do need to call them out as guns?? They are only less than a handful of games into their careers but are guns??

Let's settle down and not create too huge an expectation hey.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:03 am 
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The selection of Macreadie was fantastic for the kid but it unbalanced our side. At stages we had Plowman, Marchbank, Rowe, Macreadie and Simon White in defence whilst one of Simpson or Docherty were being forced out onto the wing. 5 players at 190cm or taller while Richmond played a pacy forward line. No surprise that Butler, Castagna and Rioli kicked 6 between them.

The biggest frustration for me was when we moved the ball quickly and got it inside 50, we usually marked it and scored. The bullshit handballing ahead of the play and overpossessing has continually got us into trouble in the JLT and again last night. Posters knock our forwards but FMD, I'd hate to be playing forward for Carlton the way we're rooting around with the ball at the moment. Not that they'd listen but my message to the coaches would be, forget trying to replicate the Bulldogs or the Saints and try to be proactive. Do what actually suits your list demographic instead of being reactive @#$%&! sheep! We have 2 of the better marking players in the game inside forward 50. Give them a chance to play to their strengths.
From memory we had 7 scoring shots at quarter time from 7 inside 50 marks, from not many more inside 50s.

If they dont mark it, have your crumbers at their feet. Why do coaches continually try to overcomplicate the game?


Remove White and keep Macreadie if we are rebalance.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:38 am 
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Remove white from list would be better made Rowe look good the other night
As for Thomas


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:45 am 
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Surely this Thomas experiment can't go on. They're taking the piss now. Collingwood improved their list the day he walked out - as they did with Cloke.

If you don't add something to the team, you're retarding the team. Casboult, Thomas, White, E.Curnow

Great to see SOJ, SBS, JP have solid games considering their age. C.Curnow needs constant improvement. McKay will hopefully bring something to the team that allows Weits to either get some space up forward, or go back if required.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:49 am 
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When McKay comes in I think Weits goes back and White goes out.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:21 am 
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Pros:

Encouraging ball movement. Accuracy. Good score.
Senior players like Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Rowe.
Marchbank already looks one of our best players.
A wounded Weitering against the best defender in the competition.
It's been a pretty dry preseason for SOJ, but he was good. Same for Plowman.
First half for SPS. Second half for Casboult.
Thought Smedts was pretty clean.
MacReadie looks exciting.

Cons:

I get we're building for the future. But puzzled by our defensive structure. 4 tall defenders is questionable. 5 is bizarre. Richmond's small forwards won the game. Wonder what some of the better teams are going to do against us on the scoreboard. I know White's one of our leaders, but we need more speed.
Puzzled by what we're doing with Ed. He's arguably the best tagger in the competition, but we're not using him in that role anymore. And Martin absolutely towelled us. Got to think Ed would have reduced his effectiveness, if given the chance.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:22 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Encouraging ball movement. Accuracy. Good score.
Senior players like Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Rowe.
Marchbank already looks one of our best players.
A wounded Weitering against the best defender in the competition.
It's been a pretty dry preseason for SOJ, but he was good. Same for Plowman.
First half for SPS. Second half for Casboult.
Thought Smedts was pretty clean.
MacReadie looks exciting.

Cons:

I get we're building for the future. But puzzled by our defensive structure. 4 tall defenders is questionable. 5 is bizarre. Richmond's small forwards won the game. Wonder what some of the better teams are going to do against us on the scoreboard. I know White's one of our leaders, but we need more speed.
Puzzled by what we're doing with Ed. He's arguably the best tagger in the competition, but we're not using him in that role anymore. And Martin absolutely towelled us. Got to think Ed would have reduced his effectiveness, if given the chance.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:24 pm 
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I could be wrong, but I think selections are drawn from a hat at Carlton ...


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:30 pm 
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I'd have white over macreadie. macreadie looked lost at all times.

white is useless, but he's an enforcer out there who has the kid's backs. he keeps the other team honest, because he'l flatten someone who pushes it. we need that kinda protection for the kids we have.

macreadie is better developing in the ants. i'd rather have mckay in to replace macreadie and move weiters down back. but in saying that, we'd be too tall with a resting kruez/ casboult and mckay.

we need another small forward to create havoc and tackle pressure. locking that ball in will be key to not getting overrun when our A mids are resting.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Encouraging ball movement. Accuracy. Good score.
Senior players like Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Rowe.
Marchbank already looks one of our best players.
A wounded Weitering against the best defender in the competition.
It's been a pretty dry preseason for SOJ, but he was good. Same for Plowman.
First half for SPS. Second half for Casboult.
Thought Smedts was pretty clean.
MacReadie looks exciting.

Cons:

I get we're building for the future. But puzzled by our defensive structure. 4 tall defenders is questionable. 5 is bizarre. Richmond's small forwards won the game. Wonder what some of the better teams are going to do against us on the scoreboard. I know White's one of our leaders, but we need more speed.
Puzzled by what we're doing with Ed. He's arguably the best tagger in the competition, but we're not using him in that role anymore. And Martin absolutely towelled us. Got to think Ed would have reduced his effectiveness, if given the chance.


Great summary


Yep, nailed it.
Bit worried about Jack based on JLT but he was ok.
Marchbank made a few kicking clangers but his game was immense when put in context: only 7th or so game; first since rd 2 last year.
Just need to keep him fit.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:23 pm 
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People are puzzled we went in overly tall, really?


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