So Bolton has changed the culture and outlook of the Carlton board all by himself? Looks like the same old pathetic board to me...

Bolton's not the messiah


Bolton isn't the messiah
Its about the collective
Have a look at our list
They should give Bolton and the rest of the coaching staff the award this year for winning 6 games
Given how bad our list is
We are on the right track

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Genuinely surprised how comfortable some appear to be after the past 2 games.

By 'Carlton 2016' standards, they have been deplorable.

There is absolutely no excuse for that first half yesterday against priority pick territory Brisbane. Especially when the coach himself said the players were looking forward to the chance to atone.

IMHO if we accept that these performances are part of the journey, then this rebuild will be a helluva lot longer than 66 games.

Interesting. I counted his kicks as they happened. He may have had some off the ground in packs I missed. And I did cross to TC a few times but 10? Hmmm. I'll have to watch the tape during the week and look or any sprouts.
Regardless, he had a shocker. He wasn't alone in that regard.

our wins and losses are irrelevant only to the extent that the causes of our club problems still exist and have not been changed.

you need the following for a premiership:

1. a good board
2. a good president
3, a good CEO
4. a good footy ops
5. a good coach
6. a good captain
7. a good recruiter
8. a good list manager
9. a good reserves

imo we fail on 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 & 9

good grief

Agree.

Clarkson won 5 games in his first year, including a 20 goal loss that I went to at Footy Park against Port. They were horrible, and fielded a side that had the nucleas of what would become the cornerstone of their golden era, and the rest a heap of guys who would be delisted or at best depth in future sides.

Melbourne have gone from 2 to 4 to 7 to 10 wins the last 4 seasons. The 4 wins was in Roos first year. Remember when they couldn't score and everyone was lamenting how defensive and boring they were? From memory they only won 1 of their last 14 or so dishing up crap that would have rivalled yesterday and then some.......and even after 3-4 years of doing it properly they still haven't made finals.

No quick fix, means it can't all be fixed quickly.

Still can't get my head around the fact that the same people that rightly point out how bad are coaching, trading, drafting, development, list management, player welfare, leadership development, game plan/structure etc has been prior to this has are now shocked that results like yesterday can still happen.

Of course it was poor, of course he club realises it, but it was not reflective of the majority of what we've seen this year nor any different to what any club dishes up in a rebuild.

Now reading through the match day threads it's the game plan that is the problem, or selection, or the coaches media cliches! So many that are involved in the inner sanctum 24/7 and have a full grasp on what is going on behind the scenes. I'm jealous.

Those that can't handle it, better get used to it or find another hobby as there will be 2 more culls of this list, and it will not be until 2018 until it will be a Silvagni/Bolton list and they can then start to be fully accountable.

Of course none of that will happen and they'll keep posting the same thing over and over and over until what they complain about has "been fixed", only changing tact to then take credit for any improvement by claiming that they should had done what the poster had suggested earlier.

Anyone thinking otherwise is only going to get a repeat of the false dawn short-cut of the last "rebuild". ie going from a basket case in 2007 to thinking we we were a legitimate flag chance in 2010, when the likes of Russell, Hadley, Jospeh, Warnock, Ellard, Davies, Bower, Robinson and Armfield etc were still best 22.

Can the sad sacks on this site just take 2 Bex's, lie down and reflect.

NEW Carlton began with SOS, Trigg and Bolton.

Football doesn't always go to script. How do you explain Sydney's demolition of St Kilda when we got thrashed by them and pushed Sydney in Sydney? They have Franklin and a midfield that can run OR play inside. Against us they played inside, which suited us, choked up the game and so we got close. Against a running side they play plan B, which is to run and tackle as distinct from what we did, which was to try and choke a team that didn't want to play inside.

There are easily 50 'anomily' games every year

Regardless of the reasons, we've lost Waite, Betts, Garlett and Henderon in the last two years. You can't just click your fingers and replace them.

We've won at least 50% more games than we were expected to win this year And lost a few we thought we would win. Wins and losses asren't the only measurement. I tipped us to finish tenth if we had a good run with injuries. After 11 rounds, that looked probable but suddenly the run went from us and we reverted to a slow, chip and turnover side.

Our captain has missed more than half the year. Hawthorn lost Franklin AND Roughead. They stayed at the top. Geelong lost Ablett. Adelaide lost Dangerfield. Dogs lost Murphy and half their backline. Losing Murphy shouldn't have affected us to the point we lose 9 in a row.

We've seen some snippets of C Curnow's future but due to injury and illness, it's been brief

McKay has had an injury interrupted season so there's something to look forward to next year. Ditto Cunningham

Weitering is a gun

We lost Byrne just as we were getting so excited that we'd found a beauty

Boekhorst was showing us some things before his injury. I think he'll come good. And if he doesn't, the NEW Carlton regime have only given him a 1 year contract unlike the OLD Carlton

Silvagni has been the revelation. I for one thought we rushed him but boy was I wrong. This kid is A grade natural/smart footballer with blue in his veins. Will be better than Gunston.
Wait till Ben comes to us in 2 years

I've seen enough of Sumner and Plowman to think that with a full pre-season, they will be excellent contributors. And Phillips craps all over Kruezer.

The dead wood will take a couple of years to remove as contracts expire. That WILL happen

Forget the last two weeks. My guess is that they've hit the wall. There has been much learning and re-adjustment and players are mentally tired. This may be true BUT there is no escaping the fact that we have changed our stuyle of play in the second half of the season.

Let's see how the trading period pans out. In the meantime, just flowering well calm down some of you willya!!

The fact that we got 40 points behind demonstrates that we had little intent going into the game ... we couldn't come out of the blocks from the start because our mindset is not where it should be ... when we are favourites we lose ... when we play some of the better sides like Hawthorn or Sydney we strive for a small losing margin and feel good about it.

We should have been the hunter from the outset and gone whack but instead watched Brisbane take the initiative ... we are lacking above the shoulders.

When Clarkson took over Hawthorn he in a space of 3-4 years culled everyone except for Crawford and Vandenburg ... we need to do the same ... we have too many that are ingrained losers and many lacking the running power, mindset, skills and game sense.

This loss was a setback to our progress.

Still fuming. How can we lose to the worst list in the comp? How do those bozos keep on delivering up a kids who kicks 3 to 4 against us - how does that dignify team defence?

How can Zorko run unchecked for a whole half.... Bolton we know you don't like tagging but please, don't wait for the next break to do something.

We've tagged plenty of people this year.

Rockliff-Zorko-P Hanley-Rich-Bastinac-L Taylor-S Martin is a decent midfield - Beams and Christensen injured. Surely better than Carlton's?

Schache-Hipwood developing up forward.

Weak in defence.

Will be interesting to see how they perform with a new coaching group.