Monday's always better after a Carlton win ... especially when Collingwood and Essendon* have lost.

I'm thinking optimistically ... we avoid the spoon AND end up with Weitering as Brisbane take Schache and don't get band one compo for Leuenberger.

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Sorry ABNS usually agree with you wholeheartedly but didn't have mixed feelings about the win- still think it was in our best interests - context of it really important given we went in without graham gibbs judd knockers white Thomas armfield casboult Henderson yarran and had been beaten comprehensively by the bottom side the week before - I think it was great to have a win and particularly to have those young guys be involved in a win together - Moreover we played importantly an attacking game style rather than Malthouse stodgy crap even though the quality of the opposition probably helped facilitate that - I think a win was better than getting first draft pick but not sure on respective ability of pick 1 and 2 so from that perspective bow to others with greater knowledge - not sure I necessarily agree with your assessment of whiley think he might be a player and in my view has continue to get better each week sine he got back in the team - the jury I agree is out on the others you mention

Ellard should go at the end of the year but thought given dearth of senior players yesterday - coming on as sub did some senior player type things

I think we should give Watson another 12 month contract on the basis that we have little or no kpp players and as a back up particularly now hendo has flown the coup

Don't think the win will paper over the cracks - there is a desperate need for young talent and the team has shown that over 21 rounds - there will be wholesale changes and that is a good thing

Also thought win was good too in the context of Henderson one of our so called leaders effectively wanting to walk out on us last week and not play with us any more good message that we can win without him - we want players who want to be at carlton and players who play with spirit and verve is what we want - really liked yarran and hendo but when was the last time either played with obvious spirit or verve

When you're able to take a grinning 6yo kid out onto the ground amongst a sea of kids in navy blue the first pick in the draft is the last thing in your mind. She went to bed in her Carlton jumper.

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Good on you Wojee - an old BOY I KNOW also went to bed in his blues boxer shorts

My 16 yo went to a party last night wearing hers.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I think this is overstating his performance a little.. i thought he was good and opened the door for two more games to prove if he's worth keeping, but that's it... if this was the last round of the year I'd still cut him based on years of not being able to cut it at the required level.

i hope he tears it up the next two weeks and the club feels confident to extend his contract by another year... we've persisted this long with him, it would be really nice to get some return for investment.

At the risk of sounding like Synbad sometimes you need to look at the future besides beating a team as bad as Melbourne. We have been talking non stop in other threads of loading up draft picks this year because of our weak list.


I would much rather enjoy the moment of having a strong list manager and recruiting team and seeing a few good calls on draft night.

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Nice to have a win...it's been a while.

Strong 1st half efforts from Kreuz & Murph set the win up.

Cripps again very very good & happy for 1AW who kicked 4 again.

I've been critical of the 7/19 deal but pleased to see some slow small steps forward from the "7/19 crew".

And the much maligned Watto seemed to be enjoying himself out there. At least he wanted to play a part!

All valid points Frank. On balance, I'll take the win for the reasons you've outlined. I think the advantage of finishing last isn't just having the #1 pick in the national draft, but also the bargaining strength you get with #1 in the PSD. But, as you say, there are benefits to the win and it was great to see the players and supporters smiling after a game for a change

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no wooden spoon and hopefully p2.

I went to the game on Sunday not caring whether we won or lost. The analytical side of me can see the advantage of losing, getting good picks and trading players for picks as well. However, as soon as the ball bounced the emotional side took over I found myself supporting again and hoping for a good win. Watching Kruezer run around I remember thinking he must stay and we would be mad to trade him. His teammates love him.

In the end the club will decide what happens but it's not easy being a Carlton supporter these days.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Carlton vs Melbourne
10 Cripps (Carl)
8 Kreuzer (Carl)
6 McDonald (Melb)
4 Tuohy (Carl)
2 Walker (Carl)

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The respective coaches votes were identical.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Roosy just said who did Barks pick put me down for the same

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This exactly. I took my son to his first game, he is 4 and was looking forward to it for weeks. It was however against the Lions. Needless to say, it went pear shaped big time - thanks Boys, well played.

When you are playing like that it is not fun for any fan, let alone a 4yo.

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I will miss you Kouta - thanks for the memories. ps. Kouta > * for ∞

I will take the win any day. A young group needs the 'emotional nourishment' of a win to paraphrase our fearless (interim it seems) coach.

It's interesting all the emphasis on getting a number 1 pick v number 2, yet looking back over recent drafts on how many occasions did number 1 not turn out to be the best player anyway? Just looking at our number ones...
Murphy v Pendlebury
Gibbs v Selwood.......
Kreuzer v Cotchin/Dangerfield/Rioli/Taylor......

Who do we exactly expect to trade for using the 'leverage; of the PSD? Jake Carlisle? Really?

The funny thing is that we have so much to gain from actually having a semblance of a list management strategy and focus on rebuild (re Hendo and Yarran) that 1 v 2 in the scheme of things means nothing. Give me pick 2 and 4 more in the top 20 v pick 1 and 2 more anyday.

For the record I really liked Whiley's game on the weekend.

Anyway, this is just my view on things.

My 6yo saw his first win also. Only his second game, so his strike rate is fairly good. Had the eldest in tow also. A win, farewell to Juddy and kick to kick afterwards...cracking day.

Saw the replay the other night....Cripps post siren reaction absolute gold, brings a tear to a glass eye. High draft picks are valuable, Winning is priceless.

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