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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:05 pm 
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It hurts doesn't it guys. It hurts. Let it all out.

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:06 pm 
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Just looking at the root cause as to why we are no better this year than last.

We have sent out the same blokes out to play to make the same mistakes all led by a different person who could have started the changes but let his ego get in the way.

well who would u blame for all of that if you had to search for a root cause???

why wouldnt you put the spotlight on the organisational setup of the club instead of only mick??

this is why you look very biased club..... you dont blame the infrustructure and those who are supposed to set things up from the top all the way down...

youre better than letting your biased blindness show u up as a ridiculous thinker!!!....

mich is the least of our problems....

mckay should have handled that.. its his job description!!!... then from there you look up... swann.. board .. sticks!!

does the buck ever stop with sticks???

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:16 pm 
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I guess i blame the club for getting Mick. Doesn't get anymore root cause than that. How did we let it happen !

...but right now we have him so i am not happy he sat on his hands last October and we know have to wait for him to learn what we all already knew.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:45 pm 
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Nobody knows what was or wasn't available to be done in October so speculating on what it was or whose fault is pointless imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:45 pm 
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Mick had no choice but to 'sit on his hands' at the end of last year. The cap was full. Thhe AFL changed the rules on us last minute re the Judd/Visy deal remember. Dud players who couldn't get a regular game like Joseph and Davies were still contracted for another year, and nobody wanted to go near then via trades.
I remember Mick saying when he first arrived that he wanted to give the playing list the benefit of the doubt, and see first hand what he's got before he makes radical changes. Right after hearing that, I knew then and there that this year was going to be a wipe out. But I didn't care.

I'm glad that we ve still been competitive in all bar one game. If lady luck and reasonable umpiring were on our side, we could ve been in the 8. But that would ve just papered over the cracks for another year. Don't be fooled!
I'm sick of the Ratten type sneaking into 7th-8th and getting beaten in an interstate final.
I want to know that we re building towards something good. I want to know that the coach has a vision and direction.
MM knows what it takes. He's seen it and done it all before.

He's seen enough from on and off field performers around the place to know what changes will be made at the end of the year.

There will be MANY!

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:47 pm 
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so Mick we want to give you a job

- yeah ok but i cant start until november

thats ok mick , our list is awesome, we dont have much room to move anyway- you are the icing on the cake - lets go get flagz

- hmm, ok where do i sign

here , right next to the $$$$$$$ signs


i dont see how Mick gets blamed at all for the lack of action last post season

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:56 pm 
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Cap was close full. Las t minute change to Judd/Visy deal nearly brought us over.
Dud players were contracted, and no one wanted to go near them during trade week.
There were list management decisions that were made before he was signed.
What did you expect Mick to do ? Bring in Clinton Young or the Q Stick ? That wouldn't have made any difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:21 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Cap was close full. Las t minute change to Judd/Visy deal nearly brought us over.
Dud players were contracted, and no one wanted to go near them during trade week.
There were list management decisions that were made before he was signed.
What did you expect Mick to do ? Bring in Clinton Young or the Q Stick ? That wouldn't have made any difference.


Yes, yes you've said it plenty of times.
Yet we offered Cloke a million dollars. Go figure.

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:07 pm 
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About time Mick apologised for the filth flag in 2010

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:12 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Cap was close full. Las t minute change to Judd/Visy deal nearly brought us over.
Dud players were contracted, and no one wanted to go near them during trade week.
There were list management decisions that were made before he was signed.
What did you expect Mick to do ? Bring in Clinton Young or the Q Stick ? That wouldn't have made any difference.


Trading has been going on for years Dom. We are not talking about a new thing here.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:35 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Cap was close full. Las t minute change to Judd/Visy deal nearly brought us over.
Dud players were contracted, and no one wanted to go near them during trade week.
There were list management decisions that were made before he was signed.
What did you expect Mick to do ? Bring in Clinton Young or the Q Stick ? That wouldn't have made any difference.


Trading has been going on for years Dom. We are not talking about a new thing here.

Trade who


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:48 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
club29 wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Cap was close full. Las t minute change to Judd/Visy deal nearly brought us over.
Dud players were contracted, and no one wanted to go near them during trade week.
There were list management decisions that were made before he was signed.
What did you expect Mick to do ? Bring in Clinton Young or the Q Stick ? That wouldn't have made any difference.


Trading has been going on for years Dom. We are not talking about a new thing here.

Trade who


Start with one of anything we have a surplus of. Rucks and small forwards. Next move onto players that are good but usually get injured by midseason. Then players he reckons would not work or are not any good. Then look at players that we can swap to get a different mix together. We all know how flaky our list is. Do we want to keep banging our heads against a wall just inside the 8 at best?
Didn't think so. So we do something about it. Study the tapes. Each angle. WOrk out the culprits for the flake outs.

Reckon they could have 3 players on our list that would be playing now in place of all them blokes that are the wrong sorts.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:58 pm 
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We can definitely save a heap of $$$ by not going to Arizona at the end of this year.

Two years in a row we've gone overseas training, two years in a row we miss finals.

Back to basics this preseason.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:09 pm 
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We can definitely save a heap of $$$ by not going to Arizona at the end of this year.

Two years in a row we've gone overseas training, two years in a row we miss finals.

Back to basics this preseason.


I'd suggest it's been locked in already verbs. I think Arizona is worth it. The Ratten/Cordy heat&altitude experiment was bordering on the guinea-pig status of AOD-9604.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:18 pm 
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That first trip was a shocker.


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:18 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Just looking at the root cause as to why we are no better this year than last.

We have sent out the same blokes out to play to make the same mistakes all led by a different person who could have started the changes but let his ego get in the way.


Club nailed it with this! We expect more from a premiership coach and are disappointed to see more of the same. Money well spent! End of discussion,


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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:20 pm 
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It feels the club is at circa 2005 with it's list management - need to start again only difference with a new look recruiting department a development system that is at the forefront of the industry!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:26 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
yes club mckays hands were not tied... !!!

footy operations manager whos job it is to go over the list and know it inside out....

know who can make it.. who cant... etc...

look for a couple of players to fill in some of the holes

mick was in the media... mckay was at the club.. who would know our list better??


I doubt Mick looked at the list and saw 3 Rucks on decent contracts, a million half backers and one too many overpayed small forwards. A list that had no ticker and he wanted that adjusted but Andy Mackay told him that the list is fine so Mick just took a holiday. :lol:

The odds are more stacked that he looked at the list and thought he could perform miracles ( the miracles even you thought he could perform). Ego.

What was to come was so obvious. Not sure how you missed it. Maybe you let yourself get sidetracked.


hahaha... so what is the role of the footy operations manager???

you dont answer the question about WHAT IS MCKAYS ROLE ????? :lol:

yes sure u can point at mm.. but whats mckays role and responsibilities around the club???

is itttttttttttttttttttttt.... say... ummmmmmm errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr footy operations manager ?????

was i right???

you see!!!.. its the prblem with the footy club.. ...........................and unlike surrey youre playing dumb!!!

were shit everywhere!!!.... and we hate to blame carlton people... its easier to blame mick...

but the problem doesnt go away does it???

:yikes:


I don't know the answer to your question. Not even sure why you are directing it at me with such enthusiasm. I have never cared who was the football manager was as long as it wasn't Icke.

I am sure if Mick wanted changes to the list he would have got them. If you think he wouldn't have because Andrew Mackay was blocking him then you would be the only person in the world that would think that.


If you don't give a flower who the footy ops manager is, why do you not want it to be Icke? Is it because Icke did something you didn't like?

If that's the case, by deduction, you must have an idea of what you would like a footy manager to do.

So is McKay ticking off all the boxes that Icke didn't?

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:55 pm 
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club29 wrote:
I guess i blame the club for getting Mick. Doesn't get anymore root cause than that. How did we let it happen !

...but right now we have him so i am not happy he sat on his hands last October and we know have to wait for him to learn what we all already knew.

so if mick didnt come to the club because as you achnowledge the club [REDACTED] up by bringing him.. we were in a good space???... and the people in charge of the club were doing a great job?

well if thats the case...how come some brilliant people doing a great job panicked and brought him to the club??

how do very smart competent people bring a guy into a club to destroy in 9 months what this brilliant people built in the last few??

whats your reasoning about the brilliant people???

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 Post subject: Re: Apology
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:57 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Just looking at the root cause as to why we are no better this year than last.

We have sent out the same blokes out to play to make the same mistakes all led by a different person who could have started the changes but let his ego get in the way.


Club nailed it with this! We expect more from a premiership coach and are disappointed to see more of the same. Money well spent! End of discussion,


so what club nailed is the people in charge of this club spe nt even more money and brought a guy into the club to destroy it.. but u support them??

oh ok...

Are you some kind of traitor surrey???

why would u support people who burn our money and bring in enemy to ruin the club???

do you ever listen to your nonsense???

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