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Stefchook
 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:16 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:30 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
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I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


So what about those marginalized important players BBW.

Haven't heard who they are?


Oh ... ok ... I thought you might want to dispute where we are given that we have a stronger and less injured playing list this year. :thanks:

I don't think much of Duigan as a player so I am not talking about him. Laidler on the other hand was our best defender 1.5 years ago. I don't accept the crap about being versatile ... there are currently players in the team that are not judged on that criteria. The guy just hasn't been given a chance ... yet he continues to select blokes like Bootsma in big games against strong opponents. DOH! :thanks: :screwy: :hitcomputer:

Then the super duper coach selects Yarran as a sub in a big game we had to win ... Yarran's response was poor ... but he should never have been sub. Have a look at the players MM selected ahead of Yarran. Ultimately this extremely poor decision probably cost us 2 games ... and behind the scenes from what I hear ... I wouldn't be surprised if Yarran is looking for a new club.

Did you want to discuss anything else?


So, basically Laidler.

I liked Laidler as a player. Thought he made our backline a bit more organized.

But can you tell me if he's the same player after his serious knee op?

The facts are you don't know why he can't get a run so you put it down to a coaching error.

So, out of 44 players we have one guy who's not up to it, another guy who we are not sure is up to it and a third guy who we know is up to it but has been spelled for disciplinary issues.

That's your case?

BBW, you need to make your statements more reasonable or people won't take you seriously.

Oops. Too late.

Last year, in the face of ENORMOUS amount of evidence (losing to basket case teams by 10 goals, etc), it's "nah, wait, give him time, he's just Bomber Thompson in 2006", etc, etc. Nek minnit, in the face of a hardness that hasn't been seen in at least 12 years, renewed enthusiasm for the contest by most players, improved showing by most players, no holds barred discipline in the playing group, and improved showing against most teams, it's "No, wait. Please don't let the evidence deceive you; my prejudices are more accurate!!"

Take it seriously??? Phhht!!!!! as a comedy routine, maybe.....

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:41 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


So what about those marginalized important players BBW.

Haven't heard who they are?


Oh ... ok ... I thought you might want to dispute where we are given that we have a stronger and less injured playing list this year. :thanks:

I don't think much of Duigan as a player so I am not talking about him. Laidler on the other hand was our best defender 1.5 years ago. I don't accept the crap about being versatile ... there are currently players in the team that are not judged on that criteria. The guy just hasn't been given a chance ... yet he continues to select blokes like Bootsma in big games against strong opponents. DOH! :thanks: :screwy: :hitcomputer:

Then the super duper coach selects Yarran as a sub in a big game we had to win ... Yarran's response was poor ... but he should never have been sub. Have a look at the players MM selected ahead of Yarran. Ultimately this extremely poor decision probably cost us 2 games ... and behind the scenes from what I hear ... I wouldn't be surprised if Yarran is looking for a new club.

Did you want to discuss anything else?


So, basically Laidler.

I liked Laidler as a player. Thought he made our backline a bit more organized.

But can you tell me if he's the same player after his serious knee op?

The facts are you don't know why he can't get a run so you put it down to a coaching error.

So, out of 44 players we have one guy who's not up to it, another guy who we are not sure is up to it and a third guy who we know is up to it but has been spelled for disciplinary issues.

That's your case?

BBW, you need to make your statements more reasonable or people won't take you seriously.


Oops ... sorry ... didn't I say Yarran as well. There are more examples. But I would have thought 2 as serious as those would have sat you up in your seat.

In any case the even more serious problem has been the pathetic coaching decisions that have cost us games.

But like I said ... We live in hope.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:44 pm 
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cimm1979
 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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BigBlueWave wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


So what about those marginalized important players BBW.

Haven't heard who they are?


Oh ... ok ... I thought you might want to dispute where we are given that we have a stronger and less injured playing list this year. :thanks:

I don't think much of Duigan as a player so I am not talking about him. Laidler on the other hand was our best defender 1.5 years ago. I don't accept the crap about being versatile ... there are currently players in the team that are not judged on that criteria. The guy just hasn't been given a chance ... yet he continues to select blokes like Bootsma in big games against strong opponents. DOH! :thanks: :screwy: :hitcomputer:

Then the super duper coach selects Yarran as a sub in a big game we had to win ... Yarran's response was poor ... but he should never have been sub. Have a look at the players MM selected ahead of Yarran. Ultimately this extremely poor decision probably cost us 2 games ... and behind the scenes from what I hear ... I wouldn't be surprised if Yarran is looking for a new club.

Did you want to discuss anything else?


So, basically Laidler.

I liked Laidler as a player. Thought he made our backline a bit more organized.

But can you tell me if he's the same player after his serious knee op?

The facts are you don't know why he can't get a run so you put it down to a coaching error.

So, out of 44 players we have one guy who's not up to it, another guy who we are not sure is up to it and a third guy who we know is up to it but has been spelled for disciplinary issues.

That's your case?

BBW, you need to make your statements more reasonable or people won't take you seriously.


Oops ... sorry ... didn't I say Yarran as well. There are more examples. But I would have thought 2 as serious as those would have sat you up in your seat.

In any case the even more serious problem has been the pathetic coaching decisions that have cost us games.

But like I said ... We live in hope.


He's the third guy in my example. The guy who's good enough but spelled for poor discipline.

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club29
 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:03 pm 
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The Blues v Saints game a few years back was a game we got tough in. The WC final showed a bit of steel. Never really had to get tough against bombers as we smashed them most times in the last few years.
Won a tough game against the Swans at the SCG two years ago.

So the game against the Hawks was good in that we matched them in intensity for most of it is still a one off. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We still fell away.

I think we are on the right track but lets not go overboard. Not all players have improved. Some have gone the other way. Others are still up and down.
We still dont win close games. The Hawks still had our measure. Our coaches still make glarring mistakes.

Last friday was encouraging but we have a long way to go.
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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:22 pm 
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club29 wrote:
The Blues v Saints game a few years back was a game we got tough in. The WC final showed a bit of steel. Never really had to get tough against bombers as we smashed them most times in the last few years.
Won a tough game against the Swans at the SCG two years ago.

So the game against the Hawks was good in that we matched them in intensity for most of it is still a one off. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We still fell away.

I think we are on the right track but lets not go overboard. Not all players have improved. Some have gone the other way. Others are still up and down.
We still dont win close games. The Hawks still had our measure. Our coaches still make glarring mistakes.

Last friday was encouraging but we have a long way to go.


An astute, precise and logical assessment made by an objective party I presume. :clap:
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woof
 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:00 pm 
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club29 wrote:
So the game against the Hawks was good in that we matched them in intensity for most of it is still a one off. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We still fell away.


I actually thought the true test in the Hawthorn game came when Murphy got crunched, similar to Carrazzo getting crunched by Lonegran in the previous year.
We fell apart in the Essendon* game, we stuck at it in this game with Robbo a casualty as well.
Something is going on.
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cimm1979
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I suspect if there are any Pickett/Brown/Guerra types going cheap at the end of the year we might look at them.

You can't turn clean footballers who are largely indifferent to each others well being into blood thirsty team players.

They can get better, but the sh1t gene is missing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:39 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:

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The Spornstar
 Post subject: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:10 pm 
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club29 wrote:
I hate when managers do it in the soccer and it looked equally as weak the other night IMO.
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I hate it too in soccer but it works. Have you seen the run United got from referees under Fergie?
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The Spornstar
 Post subject: Trust Malthouse
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:23 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
I don't think we are any chance to make finals unless we win both of our next two and that's unlikely.

The Saints loss will be the one that killed us.


If we win one of our next two we will still be a big chance for finals. Have you seen West Coast's draw? Incredibly tough. If not them, who will displace us?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:27 pm 
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you need to go into finals with momentum of winning.. not cos there are not 8 good sides in the afl...

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The Spornstar wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
I don't think we are any chance to make finals unless we win both of our next two and that's unlikely.

The Saints loss will be the one that killed us.


If we win one of our next two we will still be a big chance for finals. Have you seen West Coast's draw? Incredibly tough. If not them, who will displace us?


I wouldn't rule out anyone yet.

We have: bye, Sydney, pies.

If we lose all those and are still in the 8, it will be bloody good luck!
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dane wrote:
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The whole Malthouse saga is becoming a train wreck.

One bad decision after another ... alienation of several important players at the club ... out coached on multiple occasions in critical matches ... terrible tactical decisions which continue to cost us games ... the list goes on and on and on.

Obviously a big fat fail in terms of where this team should be given less injuries and a stronger list than last year.

Lets hope that we don't have to use the 10 year plan that the Super Duper coach has employed at other clubs.

Lets hope for the best ... start planning for next year ... this year looks to be over.

We live in hope ... rather than trust.


:donk: :donk: :donk:

Stick to ya guns!

Lol Daneo, when you've got a cracking track record of bagging guys like BBW you keep plugging away

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I'm confident that we will see a leaner (and meaner?) list by the time next preseason comes around, with the players and coaches that Mick wants to put his plans into place properly. Just remember how frustrated we were at how stuck we were during last offseason, I think Mick would've felt it just as much if not more.

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dane wrote:
I'm a malthouse fan.
He is what needed to happen.


5 years too late

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grrofunger wrote:
I dont know why ratten keeps posting here, thought he'd be over at hawk talk or whatever they call their shitty website


Well I know where he won't be...waiting by the phone answering the call from the Melb Footy Club.

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 Post subject: Re: Trust Malthouse
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BigBlueWave wrote:
I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


No different to Haw appointing Ratts
What's your point super duper disliker of MM?

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99prelim wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
I won't surprise me in the least if the next big move from the super duper coach is to appoint Mark Neeld as an assistant. Oh Yea ... :clap: :grin:


No different to Haw appointing Ratts
What's your point super duper disliker of MM?


Oh really ... :?

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